Map of Chassidic Rebbes/Dynasties from BESH"T

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  • #605612
    BaalHabooze
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    I am curious to know where I can view some sort of map or chart (something like a family tree chart) showing how all Rebbes are related, or formed, from the Rebbe previously before them, starting all the way back to the Baal Shem Tov himself. Or can someone start it off, and continue. I know basically MOST Rebbes are generally related, although many aren’t, but certainly all the great Chassic Dynasties are connected.

    #902510
    old man
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    A comprehensive family tree of chassidus is virtually impossible due to the overlap in the past few generations.

    However, there is a very useful map starting with the Ba’al Shem Tov, giving a good view of the spreading of chassidus in Europe following the Maggid Dov Ber of Mezritch. It can be found in the book “????? ????????, ?? ????? ????? ????, ??????? ??????? ???? ?????, ??????? 2000? ????

    It’s on page 125.

    In addition, a well known and very detailed beginning family tree of chassidus (approximately till the mid 1800s)is in the Israel Museum’s exhibit on chassidus. Maybe you can find a link to it online. Hatzlachah.

    #902511
    RabbiRabin
    Member

    i happen to have such a map. It is the size of two posters with pretty small font. It is included in a book of jewish history that maps out jewish history according to area and leaders of the time. (i dont recall the name of the book but it includes these maps. You could certainly get started on wikipedia. as well.

    #902512
    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    ok let’s start then to rebuild the map right here.

    Starting with the father of the Chassidic movement was, of course, the Baal Shem Tov.

    Who were his talmidim?

    The Maggid of Meszrich was one. who else?

    #902513
    gotbeer
    Member

    Nice thread. There are a couple of problems with this task. One problem is that some Chassidis’ just started out of the blue. The first Tosher Rebbe (my Great-Great-Great Grandfather) was born a non-Chassid and his town asked him to become a Rebbe/Ruv.

    Good Luck…..if I find anything new, I will post it.

    #902514
    avhaben
    Participant

    gotbeer: What is a Rebbishe Einekel doing online???

    #902516
    Ðash®
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    There are a couple of problems with this task. One problem is that some Chassidis’ just started out of the blue. The first Tosher Rebbe (my Great-Great-Great Grandfather) was born a non-Chassid and his town asked him to become a Rebbe/Ruv.

    Tosh can be traced back to Komarno

    #902517
    gotbeer
    Member

    @avhaben- What is a yid doing in line ?!?

    #902518
    gotbeer
    Member

    *online

    #902519
    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    gotbeer – You’re right about Tosh and other self-made chassidus (Tosher, Kerastirer, etc)

    I just would like to see a link and connection of at least the BIG dynasties (i.e. Belz, Satmar, Stolin, Visznitz, Skvere, Gerr, Bobov, and the like) going back to the Baal Shem. I am so clueless who the talmidim of the BESH”T are, and who their talmidim are, etc.

    #902520
    Naysberg
    Member

    BaalHabooze: Is Satmar directly linked to the Baal Shem Tov or did it come later (like Tosh)?

    #902521
    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    Naysberg- I honestly don’t know! Nor do I know about all the other sects of chassidus on that list! That’s one reason I would like such a chart, so that I have some inkling about all the different sects and their history/origin.

    #902522
    YECHI
    Participant

    I understand SOME of the other Rebbes seem to be in a direct line from odom hariehoin

    #902523
    gefen
    Participant

    Yechi: Odom who?

    Anyway, I’m pretty sure I come from that line too. So I guess I’m also a Rebbe. 😉

    So now – let’s take a poll. Who IS NOT a descendant of Adom Harishon? Which would of course mean you come from the apes! LOL.

    #902524
    HaLeiVi
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    Satmar traces back to the Yismach Moshe, who was a Talmid of the Tzanzer Rav.

    All Chassidusen come from the Maggid. The Rebbe Reb Meilech was a Talmid of the Maggid. The Chozeh of Lublin was his Talmid. Most of today’s dynasties come from Talmidim of the Chozeh.

    Among the Chozeh’s Talmidim are the Ropshitzer, the Peshis’cher, the Ziditchover (Kamarna, eventually Tosch), and the B’nei Yisas’char (Munkatch). From the Ropshitzer there is Tzanz (Bobov, Klozenberg, Satmar) and Belz, and from the Peshis’cher there is Kotzk (Ger) and Vorka (Amshinov). The first Vizhnitzer Rebbe was a grandson of Reb Yaakov Kappel, a Talmid of the Baal Shem Tov, and a son in law of the Rizhiner.

    There are dynasties that start from Talmidei Hamaggid: The Baal Hatanya, Reb Aharon Hagadol of Karlin and his Talmid Reb Shlomo of Karlin (Stolin-Karlin, Slonim), Reb Aharon of Tchernobel (Skver, Rachmestrivke). From the Maggid’s son, Reb Avraham Hamalach, comes Rizhin (Bayan, Alechsander)

    You can really check out Wikipedia for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_dynasty

    #902525
    gefen
    Participant

    Yechi: Odom who?

    Anyway, I’m pretty sure I come from that line too. So I guess I’m also a Rebbe. 😉

    So now – let’s take a poll. Who IS NOT a descendant of Adom Harishon? Which would of course mean you come from the apes! LOL.

    #902527
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Or from the Nephilim.

    #902528
    netanel
    Member

    Here is a link to a tree I made recently. It’s based almost entirely on wikipedia, so expect at least some inaccuracy. Kol tuv!

    https://docs.google.com/a/tabc.org/file/d/0B3moh-DeWvZjbkJfRjhadURFekk/edit

    #902529
    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    Thank you HaLeiVi, that was very helpful!

    Thank you netanel, WOW, exactly the type of chart I was looking for!!! Though on the printout, the print is a bit small. Can it somehow be enlarged?

    #902530
    netanel
    Member

    Save it to your computer, and then you should be able to make it bigger, since it’s a JPG image.

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