January 24, 2011 4:32 am at 4:32 am #594430sadbuttrueMember
Does anyonen have any tips on how to get legally married in ny. I know we can use ourn kesuva but if someone can tell me the steps and maybe the fastest waynto get itndone id appreciate it.January 24, 2011 1:00 pm at 1:00 pm #732430mchemtobMember
have a rav who is a NYS chaplain “officiate ” over a legal ceremony in his office and he will process the paperwork.January 24, 2011 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #732431apushatayidParticipant
If NY = NYC, Go to NYC.Gov and get the appropriate form. Have your mesader kiddushin sign where appropriate. Fill out all pertinent information. Mail it in. Wait for the beauracracy to kick around the form, have it filed and sent back to you.
If NY = any other part of the state, the local county clerks office is probably where you get the appropriate form.January 24, 2011 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #732432akupermaParticipant
The easiest way is to get a marriage license from your local bureaucrat (it depends which county you live in), and have someone who can claim to be a clergy sign off on the mariage certificate. That way the government (including the IRS, Social Security, the health insurance, etc.) knows you are married. You can also file a notarized marriage contract, but no one ever does so. The government issued marriage certificate is what government agencies like to see when needing proof of marriage. There is a small fine for not following the normal procedure of getting a license followed by a ceremony – but lack of license doesn’t affect validity of the marriage from the governments’ perspective.
“Bedievad” – any religious ceremony counts, so you could have a huppah and kiddushin and you would be legally married under New York law (i.e. you need a civil divorce before marrying someone else), however it would require a lot of expense in legal fees to get a marriage certificate. While New York banned common law marriage, if one did have a proper “Kiddushin be-biah” it probably would be a valid New York marriage, but neither the rabbanim or the American courts would be happy with it.January 24, 2011 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #732433yogiboobooMember
do you have access to get to nassau county? if so go to long beach they are quick there. you pick up the form, go to any rabbi who knows you and will have a few witnesses there then send back the form to them and within a couple of weeks you’ll have it. or bring it back and you might get it back on the spot. thats what we did!January 24, 2011 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #732434HomeownerMember
sadbuttrue, the absolutely fastest way to get married in the City of New York is to a) apply for a marriage license at the Marriage Bureau, wait 24 hours (unless you have a waiver from a judge) and then b) have a ceremony there.January 24, 2011 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #732435bezalelParticipant
and have someone who can claim to be a clergy sign off on the mariage certificate.
This is good for NYS but NYC requires that officiating clergy be registered with the city.January 24, 2011 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #732436not IMember
We went down to manhattan before our wedding. Then by the wedding we had our mesader kedushin sign the paper. We mailed the form in and they mailed back the marriage license..
No big deal!!
I wish I had changed my social before my wedding.. now I have no clue when I will get around to doing that. I was told you have to go down..January 24, 2011 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #732437mewhoParticipant
wow back in my time you had to get a blood test too.January 24, 2011 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #732438aries2756Participant
The best way to do it is to get your marriage certificate BEFORE your chasunah. Your mesader kedushin will sign it and mail it in after the chupah. If you neglected to do so, you may go get your marriage certificate by googling “NY marriage certificate” or any state you live in and follow the instructions. It is always easier and faster to get it in the suburbs than in the city. Take it to your Rav with your kesubah and he will handle it for you.
BTW, Rav Moshe Feinstein Z”L was very adamant about getting a marriage certificate before the chupah. He liked to do things by the book.January 25, 2011 1:00 am at 1:00 am #732439HomeownerMember
You can also file a notarized marriage contract, but no one ever does so.
Probably because you cannot simply file a notarized marriage contract.
4. A written contract of marriage signed by both parties and at least two witnesses, all of whom shall subscribe the same within this state, stating the place of residence of each of the parties and witnesses and the date and place of marriage, and acknowledged before a judge of a court of record of this state by the parties and witnesses in the manner required for the acknowledgment of a conveyance of real estate to entitle the same to be recorded.
Therefore, to get married solely with a contract, you need:
1. A written marriage contract;
2. Two witnesses;
3. Execution of the document and the witness statements in the same manner as you would do a deed; and
4. In front of a judge.
Most people think it is easier to just have the judge perform a wedding ceremony.January 26, 2011 4:26 am at 4:26 am #732440sadbuttrueMember
Being that i am getting married in one of the five boroughs i guess that means i need to be married by a “licensed” rav. However a friend of mine had it done by his rav who never got registered with nyc. Do you think they check the name and signature?January 26, 2011 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #732441ProfessionalMember
what is the advantage of having it done legally?
is a document of mesader kidushin overseas good enough?January 27, 2011 1:04 am at 1:04 am #732442bezalelParticipant
Being that i am getting married in one of the five boroughs i guess that means i need to be married by a “licensed” rav. However a friend of mine had it done by his rav who never got registered with nyc. Do you think they check the name and signature?
The city doesn’t license clergy, that would be a 1st ammendment problem. They only require them to be registered.January 27, 2011 10:34 am at 10:34 am #732443akupermaParticipant
Any sort of registration is only to make it easier to “prove” that the person is a clergy, which makes it easier to prove that the marriage took place. Some say that in practice, all they need is a letterhead.
American law has a rule called the “mock priest” rules going back to the middle ages that means that even if the wedding is conducted by a “fake” clergyman, it doesn’t affect validity of the marriage. But as with other unusual ways to get married (e.g. filing a marriage contract) there are reasons no one relies on it.
The easiest way to get married is by getting a license, and using a clergy whom the local government will readily recognize as such. While any other sort of wedding is valid under American law, it involves much extra effort and expense in order to get the wedding recognized by the government.
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