January 9, 2013 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #607752
How big an inyan is it to marry someone as a Chesed? And what kind of chesed is it practical to marry someone for.
I heard the Chazon Ish married his wife even though he knew (beforehand) that she was infertile. I also heard another modern (post WWII) gadol (I heard the name but I forget which) married someone he knew was a very nervous woman.January 9, 2013 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #918624
Wow from the same guy who wants to “practice date” on yenems cheshbon. Spend less time on the internet….January 9, 2013 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #918626
Actually, the only marriage that the torah calls a chessed is a brother and sister committing incest.January 9, 2013 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #918627
I wouldn’t marry someone to do chessed, what if that person would only be marrying me to do a chessedJanuary 9, 2013 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #918628
Didn’t take too long for shmendrick to reappear .
TrollJanuary 9, 2013 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #918629
most women believe marrying any man is a chesed.January 9, 2013 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #918630
BesalelJanuary 9, 2013 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #918631
I also heard another modern (post WWII) gadol (I heard the name but I forget which) married someone he knew was a very nervous woman.
I can easily find out the name of the person, but I won’t ask the person who told it to me, because when I heard it, I didn’t believe it for a second (that he married her as a cheseed because he knew she had mental issues and would have a hard time finding someone to marry her).January 9, 2013 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #918632
computer: It is true.January 9, 2013 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #918633
How do you know it is true? Did you speak to him before he got married and he told you he knows she is a nervous person but he is marrying her anyway? Or you know someone who spoke to him before he got married and got that info?January 9, 2013 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #918634
Do you disbelieve everything you hear? Both you and I, who do not know each other, independently heard this same story. Do you suppose someone spread a bubbe maaisa and its been going around for 40 years? No. This is a well known and accepted gedolim story.January 9, 2013 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #918635
No, I believe a lot of things I hear. Some things I don’t believe. I didn’t say it’s not true. I said I don’t believe it. Just because people have decided that’s why he married her, doesn’t mean I have to believe that that’s indeed the reason.
Many times people try to figure out why something happens that doesn’t make sense to them, so they come up with a reason that could be plausable. Doesn’t make it fact.
Instead of saying with certainty that it’s true, you could rather say you believe it’s true.January 9, 2013 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #918636January 9, 2013 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #918637
yep123: You have to ask the YWN moderator to delete it, either on the thread you createad or perhaps throught “contact” http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/contact.php
Mod?January 9, 2013 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #918638
I don’t know which gadol this story is said over about, but ask yourself this: Unless the “bubbe maaise” came to light after the wife passed, do you think the gadol in question would reveal the fact that he married his wife as a chessed? Wouldn’t that be a complete disrespect to her if he admitted it publicly?January 9, 2013 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #918639
“I wouldn’t marry someone to do chessed, what if that person would only be marrying me to do a chessed”
“most women believe marrying any man is a chesed.”
That sounds like my marriage. My wife is a tremendous baalat chessed.January 9, 2013 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #918640
sometime it wors out well, as in Boaz and Rus.January 9, 2013 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #918641
In most cases, the greatest favor you can do to someone you don’t really want to marry, is not to marry him/her.January 9, 2013 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #918642
Presumably a baal chesed would want to marry someone with a deficiency.January 10, 2013 12:36 am at 12:36 am #918643
Would you want to marry someone who you know will be married to a fool?January 10, 2013 12:54 am at 12:54 am #918644
This is one of the biggest chasodim that a person could do! Imagine, you will be living a lifetime of chesed. Every day you will be married to your spouse and tolerating her chasorins and helping her along with it. That is piling up chasodim each and every day of your married lifetime.
Unfortunately I cannot engage in this tremendous form of chesed due to cherem rabbeinu gershom and that I am already married to a wonderful spouse without any chesronos (other than having married me.)January 10, 2013 1:32 am at 1:32 am #918645
IMO everyone should view the fact that he or she is married, as an opportunity to do chessed for his/her spouse.January 10, 2013 2:40 am at 2:40 am #918646
There’s a reason the the extreme of Chesed, is Znus.January 10, 2013 2:47 am at 2:47 am #918647
You’re accusing the gedolim and others who engaged in this “extreme of chesed” of znus?January 10, 2013 3:20 am at 3:20 am #918648
KH- That’s not what T613 said. She was simply pointing out even chessed can be taken to an extreme. Poshut pshat is that it would be the wrong thing to do to marry someone for chessed unless: 1) you are 110% sure that you will never be bothered by your spouse’s chisaron that makes them a chessed case, and 2) you will never ever make them feel for even a second that you consider your marriage to them a chessed. Unless you are secretly a member of the underground Lammed Vav Society, you are probably not holding by that level of self control.January 10, 2013 3:59 am at 3:59 am #918649
You do not need to be a lamed vov’nik to reach this level of chesed.
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