Matzav Inbox: Everyone Is Measuring Skirts While Marriages Burn

Typical mo mo ( modern orthodox modus operandi) . We should not be concerned about priorities because there are other priorities.

Klal Yisroel has many issues. In posts like this, we tend to read one opinion about which issue should get priority. Often, the subject gets magnified many times to give an impression that it is unique in its relevance to the Klal. From my view, the types of connections that are dominant among the extramarital ones are occurring outside the office or workplace. There are countless places where such companionship can be sought, and these get at least as much patronizing as the workplace, if not more. No one argues against tznius. But the hemlines and necklines pale in that picture as the most serious matters. Sadly, these posts accomplish little beyond becoming a conversation topic for a brief moment. Sorry, but nine of our heimishe websites will change the trajectory of Klal Yisroel.

This is baloney. Or wishful bashing.
And of course, another instance of single dimension modality.: Did you finish A, B — so ignore D.

And, it is exactly the Tzius Halachos that keep people from falling into these theoretical office problems. The less you keep all around, the more these things will happen.

But yes, there are Halachos and Hanhagos that should be taught in school and after school.

HaLeivi > OP piece is pretty obviously not coming from someone who cares about Tznius

1) I heard and read from professionals that there is a possible issue, especially in big cities – “frum” people are on guard for non-Jewish non-kosher behavior, but when only “frum” people are in the office, they feel that they are ok and rules might be ignored

2) There are some teachers/schools that focus on the issue to the detriment of relating to the kids. My kids were laughing at a principal whose major focus was checking the colour and fashion of the socks, but barely cared about the educational process. B’H, my kids had healthy attitude towards that, but who knows how many kids either grew up into socks-Judaism or got turned off.

The thing is, we are trying too hard to control reality and the cracks are showing. Adults hang out with adults. It’s human nature….I mean your tribe can’t be only your family that’s not how life works

Go to hebrewbooks.org and download the laws of yichud by Nissim Dubov. On the same website download the book “The guarding of the brit and the guarding of the eyes”, after that download “Bilvavi, the time for fixing” on bilvavi.net. you can also just type on your browser “Bilvavi, time for fixing”, then go to scribd and download Veihaer Eineinu (Enlighten our eyes).
For women, now.
There is a certain website where you can download , Modesty an adornment for life by Eliyahu Falk. Good for both men and women. Though, I am very much anti-sheitels. I do not know if I am allowd to post the name of that website.
Watch the youtube channel “Just be Holy’.
You can also download it is a woman’s world from bilvavi.net. or you can just type “Bilvavi, woman’s wolrd” pdf
You can also go here https://www.beezrathashem.org/bh-e-books/tznius—dress-in-accordance-with-the-halochoh
About marriages, I recommend downloading “Bilvavi getting to know your family” from hebrewbooks.org
Go to judaica press and you can buy for less than 13$ a ebook on the lawd of shmirat einayim.
Rabbi Yisroel brog on Torah anytime has great lectures on Tznius. Just look up Rabbi Yisroel brog, and then search for Tznius

Kol Tuv

qwerty> much of the Chareidi world thinks that there’s a Heter to slander MO’s. This is classic Yetzer hora.

they are tinokos shenishba, unfortunately simply repeating what they heard.

First, they are conflating “not very observant” with “modern O”. So, if someone makes an effort to build communities attracting people who are not yet fully observant, it does not mean that they are at the same level. It is very clear in the case of Chabad Rabbis, but this holds true for “modern” rabbis also.

2nd – I hesitate to use “MO” term in general – it is not frankly such a mailah that R Soloveitchik addresses modernity from the halachik POV, it is a startling fact that many of his contemporaries refuse to learn what is happening in the world. He used the term of “isolationist orthodox” or something like that for his opponents.

3rd – they are tinokos because they get censored info. I recently heard a story about R Lichtenstein asking a certain sheilah from R Auerbach (whom RL chose as his Israeli posek, despite having r Soloveitchik as his teacher and FIL). I looked up if I can find more details on the shailah – and I get a story on a “frum” website that quotes “a rov who asked this shailah from R Auerbach”. All the details are there except the name of the “rov”. So, if someone learns “history” as this, what do you expect. I was once learning with a pretty worldly young charedi ruv and I mentioned a story of a non-Jew in a remote location reacting to my kippah – and he was surprised – “oh, you wear kippah to work?!”. While there are some settings where people do not wear kippah to work, a lot of people do. I guess this is how his teachers made sure the students do not even think about working in goyishe velt.

nevuah, I am not looking down at them, I am trying to judge them l’tzad zechus.

The issue is not that they have a different opinion, but that they have different facts. I just brought a couple of examples. I personally try not to believe “partisan” information from whatever side. That, hopefully, would make me not a tinok here. If you think I have facts wrong, please correct me. Others here do that, and this is the right thing to do.