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  • #1056684
    Bookworm120
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    “Maybe some people get drunk to the point that they don’t even know the difference between a midah and an aveirah. 😛 “

    *mitzvah

    Freilechen Shushan Purim. 😉 I drank only soda.

    #1056685
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “Lula D’mistifina that it was Apikorsus, I would say a Davar Pashut that the reason the Chachamim over the centuries have not been Moche on drinking on Purim is a similar Cheshbon that the Catholic Church made with Carnival. I can’t say it, because I think that is K’firah, but when that’s what Purim becomes you’ve lost a Yom Tov and created a neo-Pagan holiday.”

    ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ????

    ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??”? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???

    (Rema in Machir Yayin)

    #1056686
    Sam2
    Participant

    PAA: Is that backing me up and him thinking that Chazal gave people an “out” to do Aveiros and not be Chayav for them? Is that what you’re saying Pshat is?

    #1056687
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Some people do this mitva the whole year.

    Keitzad?

    We drink a lot the whole year so that we can be mekayeim yoseir m’hergeilo in the best manner!

    #1056688
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Well I don’t have such bekius in the Catholic Church and the 30 seconds of research I did didn’t really turn up anything, so I wasn’t quite sure what the “Cheshbon that the Catholic Church made with Carnival” so I assumed that it was something similar to this pshat of the Rema. I think what the Rema is saying is that there was a legitimate mitzvah to drink a little bit which might lead to aveiros that you are responsible for so Chazal decided that it would be better for people to be in such a drunken stupor that they would be completely unresponsible for their actions (though I don’t quite understand why deliberately getting drunk would be a ptur for your subsequent actions). Bear in mind that this is the third of three pshatim that he gives in explaining the ma’amar of “Chayev inish…” (although it is the only one about which he says ???? ?? ???? ????). So in summation, since I’m still not quite sure what you were suggesting, the best I can say at this point is ?? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????.

    edited

    #1056689
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “We drink a lot the whole year so that we can be mekayeim yoseir m’hergeilo in the best manner!”

    the lashon of the Rema (quoting the Kol Bo) is ????? ???? ???????. I once heard someone (I think it was a Rebbe but I could be misremembering and it was actually me) say that it means that the amount you drink is dependent on the amount that you learn. In fact it would be interesting if in every yeshiva the mashgiach would go around on Purim telling people that they don’t learn enough to be drinking this much (or vice versa) unless the mashgiach himself is too drunk to do so.

    #1056690
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “edited”

    I don’t think Sam would have minded my joke.

    #1056691
    Randomex
    Member

    ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ????

    ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??”? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???

    (Rema in Machir Yayin)

    Is there any chance this is “Purim Torah”?

    #1056692
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    PAA, yes, I had heard that pshat before. That is the reason I am makpid to not learn the whole year to make sure I’ll be yotzei

    #1056693
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Some people do this mitva the whole year.

    Keitzad?

    They learn a lot the whole year so that they can be mekayeim yoseir m’limudom in the best manner!

    #1056694
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “Is there any chance this is “Purim Torah”?”

    Read the hakdama

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=39929&st=&pgnum=4

    #1056695
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    A comparative study of Popa and DaasYochid:

    They both get equally wasted on Purim but Popa is choshesh that even that amount of wastedness is not enough, so he abstains from learning from Purim until Shavuos, whereas DaasYochid is choshesh that that amount of wastedness is too much so he stays up all night learning from Purim until Shavuos in order to justify it. And they both fall asleep during the early Shacharis on Shavuos morning.

    #1056696
    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    It could only be PAA who will Bump™ a Purim thread during the 3 weeks!

    SiDi™

    #1056697
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    I never bump threads. If I happen upon an old thread and I see that I have something to add then I post it. In this case Sam2 had left off with a pshat that he was afraid to say because it might be kefira so I pointed out that the Rema says a pshat which might be similar.

    #1056698
    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    No problem! I just thought a during the three weeks there would be a Purim thread active.

    Enjoy the conversation!

    SiDi™

    #1056699
    Sam2
    Participant

    PAA: The Church made the Cheshbon that people cannot be good and righteous all year round, so Carnival is an “out” where you can do anything wrong and it is forgiven.

    #1056700
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant
    #1056701
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “PAA: The Church made the Cheshbon that people cannot be good and righteous all year round, so Carnival is an “out” where you can do anything wrong and it is forgiven.”

    Sounds like a good sevara. My expert opinion is that it is similar to the Rema but not quite the same. Chazal weren’t saying that guys need a “day off” so let’s let them have a “day off” on Purim (although I have heard some contemporary people [Rabbis maybe] conceptualize Purim as such). What Chazal were saying (this is all according to the Rema’s pshat) is that since they will be doing aveiros anyway, we may as well have them doing the aveiros in a “muttar fashion”. Think of it as kind of like Yefas Toar. In conclusion you are still a kofer (let’s see if this can get past the moderators this time).

    OK, as long as we know it’s just a joke.

    #1056702
    Sam2
    Participant

    C’mon mods, it is far more likely that I call PAA a Kofer and believe it than vice versa. 🙂

    If it makes you happy, you’re both kofrim.

    #1056703
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “C’mon mods, it is far more likely that I call PAA a Kofer and believe it than vice versa.”

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/shmuly-yanklowitz-novominsker-and-oo-theology

    #1056704
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Just for the record I didn’t call Sam a kofer. He called himself a kofer and I was just upholding his psak on himself.

    “If it makes you happy, you’re both kofrim”

    If Sam’s views make him a kofer then I most certainly am a kofer, but it’s nice to have company. (Maybe we can start a subdivision of the Coffee Room called the Kofer Klub.)

    🙂

    #1056705
    ari-free
    Participant

    OK I don’t know how much you drank over Purim but I would think you should be sober by now

    #1056706

    I feel bad reviving a Three Weeks thread right before Purim, but then again no one felt bad reviving a Purim thread right before the Three Weeks. L’Chaim!

    #1056708
    FFBBT613
    Member

    There’s a difference between getting drunk & getting blitzed and I think when it comes to Purim the line between the two is greatly blurred. You should get drunk ENOUGH to fulfill the mitzvah, but not drunk to the point where you’re throwing up all over yourself & can’t tell the difference between your wife & her sister.

    #1056709
    Rema711
    Member

    FFBBT613 that’s the reason it’s call fire water

    #1056710

    Which one is haman and which one is mordechai? I don’t know if the word blitzed exists I’m halachic terminology, but the mitzvah actually is to get as drunk as possible. I don’t know where all of these people are pulling these gedarim from.

    #1056711
    Rema711
    Member

    YYBC same here

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