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    Does anyone know where any medicine gemachs are in Israel, I need prilosec. I am not going to be able to get anymore for a while because I am in seminary and I rely on people bringing me my medications from America in order to keep my medical conditions from getting worse.

    #926872

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Prilosec is usually OTC, IIRC. Maybe a drug store should have it?

    #926873

    Nechomah
    Participant

    The premise that medicine gemachs work on is that you borrow medicine that you’re going to give back when you get your prescription filled. It’s not just a free giveaway of medicine.

    You can, however, ask what their policy is on giving back because maybe some are more relaxed about that. Get your hands on a Madrich Chareidi and there are tons listed in the middle section under Gemachim. They are listed by neighborhood there.

    #926874

    JayMatt19
    Participant

    The newcomers guide and the madrich chareidi both list numerous medicine gmachs

    Good luck

    #926875

    Nechomah, I understand that, however due to the logistics of bringing me my medicine, I might not be able to get more until after pesach unless I go to a medicine gemach…

    #926876

    and I have some pain relievers that I am not allowed to use due to my medical conditions getting worse if I use them, so need a place to give those away to anyway.

    #926877

    rc
    Participant

    if i were you i would put an ad in the Nshei of ramat eshkol email list or Janglo or Luach and see if some american has extra that they dont need anymore.

    #926878

    akuperma
    Participant

    It’s long been off patents, available generically, and frequently with a prescription. The seminary can refer you to a pharmacist who knows the local brand name. Why import from America where it is probably more expensive (and may turn out to have been shipped from Israel to begin with, since they manfucture in Israel).

    #926879

    farrockgrandma
    Participant

    as I understand it, Prilosec requires a prescription in Israel. (and the generic omeprazole sold here is mostly made in Israel.) if there is a way to contact you, I can see if my relatives there have any to spare.

    #926880

    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Do medicine gemachs have medicinal marijuana?

    #926881

    Health
    Participant

    SB -“Does anyone know where any medicine gemachs are in Israel, I need prilosec.”

    And what do you need it for – for it’s “placebo effects”?

    #926882

    plonis3141
    Member

    The brand name is Omepradex in Israel. I think they have an OTC version.

    #926883

    Health: I didn’t take it yesterday, and when I was unable to help so much during my chessed time at Yad Eliezer, I also could barely eat anything for dinner. This is not the time to get angry. I am telling you that even if it is for it’s “placebo effects” that at least it worked when I took it.

    farrockgrandma: Do you know the gematria of your relatives last name? The mods posted it for someone else in order to allow me to be able to contact them. I had a prescription but since my condition is chronic, my (student) insurance won’t cover any refills. That way, if you tell them in advance and I am able to get their number through the newcomers guide (if they are in it), then I would be able to get some more from them. Thanks a ton for offering! I really appreciate it!

    #926884

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Why can’t someone mail your medicine from the US. How do you know that the drugs haven’t been in their medicine cabinet for five years?

    #926885

    That is why people check the expiration dates…

    #926886

    Health
    Participant

    SB -“Health: I didn’t take it yesterday, and when I was unable to help so much during my chessed time at Yad Eliezer, I also could barely eat anything for dinner. This is not the time to get angry. I am telling you that even if it is for it’s “placebo effects” that at least it worked when I took it.”

    Prilosec OTC is for GERD and/or heartburn. Any other use is by prescription from a Gastro. Unless you have these symptoms – you shouldn’t take Prilosec. Taking a Med for its’ “placebo effects” can be dangerous. Contrary to popular belief, Hashem gave us acid in the stomach for a reason. We actually need this acid.

    And if you do end up going to a Gastro and he/she diagnoses IBS -there are medications that can be prescribed for this.

    #926887

    My student health insurance requires me to get a referral from a doctor to a gastro and submit a medical report and stuff… none of which both of the doctors I went to would do.

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    #926888

    Health
    Participant

    SB – Try to contact one of these Frum medical orgs. Tell them your situation. I’m sure they can hook you up with a PCP that will give you a referral. Ask for a referral to a Gastro, Psychologist and a Psychiatrist.

    #926889

    Which frum medical organizations do you recommend. I went to two different doctors at Wolfson center (one went to Albert Einstein…) and they told me that since I am really stressed out that there is nothing that they could do. Plus I am in a ton of trouble with my mom at the moment, who thinks she has control over me that she legally does not have anymore (she has been making threats all year that she does not have the legal authority to make…)

    #926890

    Health
    Participant

    SB -“Which frum medical organizations do you recommend.”

    I don’t recommend any – I haven’t been there in years. Why don’t you address some of the posters here from Israel?

    The only one I’ve heard of is Ezra Lemarpe. Here is their webpage and they do offer referrals. On their website -they list ways to contact them:

    http://www.ezra-lemarpe.org

    #926891

    Thanks for letting me know about this organization! (I got confused between this post and the gastritis one, so I also thanked you there as well…).

    #926892

    Prilosec is omeprazole. If it isn’t OTC in EY, it is because of the scam Kupat Cholim system that keeps many drugs RX to perpetuate the socialist insurance system.

    There was a pharmacy in the Machane Yehuda market where the pharmacist broke the rules, at least for people who clearly came from abroad. I don’t know if it is still there or if the pharmacist can still do what she once did.

    The doctors in Wolfson charge ridiculous prices. I paid NIS 200 just for a surgeon to give me a price quote on needless cosmetic surgery, and that was in 1996. The surgeon should have just taken one look and told me not to bother with what I was considering.

    #926893

    Do medicine gemachs have medicinal marijuana?

    Contact the Aleh Yarok gemach, which is on Rechov Zohar Argov, off of Sheinkin in Tel Aviv. There may be a couple in Nachlaot and Tzfas that can help you as well :)))).

    #926894

    Health
    Participant

    TheBearIsBack -“The doctors in Wolfson charge ridiculous prices. I paid NIS 200 just for a surgeon to give me a price quote on needless cosmetic surgery, and that was in 1996. The surgeon should have just taken one look and told me not to bother with what I was considering.”

    Your complaint is absurd. I asked my friend, a Doc, who lives here and there, 3 weeks on – 3 weeks off. Going to Wolfson is like going to Park Ave. or UES in Manhattan and complaining the Docs there charge too much. The Docs in Wolfson are for the upper class Israelis -so of course they charge an arm and a leg.

    This doesn’t mean they are better or worse than anyone else.

    #926895

    They for sure aren’t. They probably charge more for office amenities such as free wifi…

    #926896

    Nechomah
    Participant

    Health, there happens to be a clinic in one of the Wolfson towers that accepts student health insurance (as well as the Kupot Cholim). It is a very large, multispecialty practice, proving rather standard medical care. It is not a ritzy practice by any means. Perhaps your friend does not know about this practice. Otherwise your friend is right, Wolfson is one of the areas of Yerushalayim where there are many wealthy people.

    #926897

    Health
    Participant

    Nechomah -“Health, there happens to be a clinic in one of the Wolfson towers that accepts student health insurance (as well as the Kupot Cholim). It is a very large, multispecialty practice, proving rather standard medical care. It is not a ritzy practice by any means. Perhaps your friend does not know about this practice. Otherwise your friend is right, Wolfson is one of the areas of Yerushalayim where there are many wealthy people.”

    I made up that about the Practices there – it was my guess. He just told me your last line.

    There happens to be a clinic in one of the Wolfson towers that accepts student health insurance (as well as the Kupot Cholim). It is a very large, multispecialty practice, providing rather SUB-standard medical care.

    Just ask Snowbunny about the care there.

    #926898

    Nechomah
    Participant

    Health, as I am sure you are aware, you can get SUB-standard care ANYWHERE. I have personally been treated in the past in that office, both by regular doctors and also by a surgeon. My husband had hernia repair by a surgeon who sees patients in that office and we both received totally adequate care. As a matter of fact, my surgeon was an American who was living here and has subsequently gone back to the US. He was up to date on the issues pertinent to my case (whether to use mesh in my hernia repair given the fact that I was still of childbearing age). I do not feel that we received substandard care at all.

    #926899

    Its awful…

    #926900

    I am BH able to afford the clinic in Wolfson (especially back then when prices weren’t what they are now – I also carry worldwide insurance that would cover real care in Wolfson), and when I asked for a referral I told the referring doctor I was willing to pay for good work. If I wanted care in EY, I would not hesitate to try that clinic again for another specialty.

    However, I earn my money the old-fashioned way. I do not like to be cheated, especially by medical personnel who judge me by my charedi dress and don’t realize that I understand everything they tell me and then some.

    There was no real corrective operation for the scar on my hand, and the doctor knew this. (There may be one now thanks to medical lasers, but I could care less to have it corrected.) He also knew that my minor complaint of dirt accumulating in it would resolve with time, and it did. He could have told me that over the phone. Instead, this creep, an American who was probably frustrated at making aliyah (or perhaps was running from a malpractice suit or a board disciplinary action) tried to sell me a useless procedure, which would have been OK if he had not charged me for the privilege. He should have charged me a symbolic fee and told me the truth, which was that I had a problem that was not worth taking care of. This was not a matter of a real condition that needed top-notch care.

    His (lacking) ethics are pretty much in line with what I experienced from many RZ/MO “professionals” in EY, whether olim or locals. They think charedim are captive patients and clients because we’d rather have shomrei Shabbos professionals. I happen found out that he and his wife, also an MD, practice and advocate a dangerous alternative diet. Had I known that back then, I would not have gone to him on moral grounds.

    In the US, I would not have even asked a rov for a heter – I would have contacted the licensing board. I don’t have a heter to expose him online, and I doubt it would do me any good to do so given his particular specialty. If he wants to make money doing nose jobs on rich kallahs from the US, let him do so.

    This is the clinic in Wolfson Towers, and at least back then it was very fancy but it did accept at least one kupat cholim. It was so fancy that when I was there, the receptionist threw out a frum askan who brought two poor people in need of help and for whom he was willing to cover all charges. I should have walked out then as I was thinking of doing – I don’t need to get care at Mirpaat Sdom veAmorah.

    The doctor actually hinted to me that if I made aliyah, he’d pull some shtick with Makabi and give me a good deal as if the surgery were medically indicated. A real tzaddik, gematriya 80:90.

    #926901

    Plus the substandard care has been the story of this past month… ignoring my story for a second, another girl in my program woke up at five am to get a flu shot, she arrived right when they were open and they refused to give her one even though she has insurance and stuff…

    #926902

    What a difference between those menuvelach and the Chabad BT doctor in CH who gave me a free flu shot based on my word that I carried a particular insurance (I did not have my card yet) – he was so overworked he could not even accept me as a patient and I don’t even remember how I ended up giving his receptionist proof of insurance so he could get reimbursed (I think she called the company to verify my coverage).

    I have heard that Terem is a slight glimmer of light in the dark tunnel of EY medical care.

    The real glimmers of light in medinas Sdoim, where curable patients die because proven lifesaving medications are not included in “the basket,” are Ezra laMarpeh (Rav Firer), Ezer meTzion etc – but chas vesholom anyone should need their assistance in obtaining care outside of EY. My friend and neighbor in CH used to collect money to obtain lifesaving medications in the US and send them to critical care patients whose plights were made known to him by his relatives in EY.

    #926903

    Please translate to English, I am not so up to date on speaking Yeshivish…

    #926904

    Health
    Participant

    Bear -“There was no real corrective operation for the scar on my hand, and the doctor knew this. (There may be one now thanks to medical lasers, but I could care less to have it corrected.)”

    I’m not into plastics and I didn’t see your hand, but even without lasers you can correct some scars with Z-plasty.

    “His (lacking) ethics are pretty much in line with what I experienced from many RZ/MO “professionals” in EY, whether olim or locals. They think charedim are captive patients and clients because we’d rather have shomrei Shabbos professionals. I happen found out that he and his wife, also an MD, practice and advocate a dangerous alternative diet. Had I known that back then, I would not have gone to him on moral grounds.”

    In a way you’re right, but mainly I think they are out to take advantage of americans. But they sound like the types that would take advantage of anyone that they can, including Charedim, Americans, Chilonim or anybody. (Of course besides Arabs.)

    #926905

    Health
    Participant

    SB -“are Ezra laMarpeh (Rav Firer), Ezer meTzion”

    You see the “Bear” is recommending two Frum orgs.

    Contact one of them.

    #926906

    gotcha. I tried contacting ezra lamarpeh but I could try again, and i can try the latter one as well.

    #926907

    Toi
    Participant

    “I have heard that Terem is a slight glimmer of light in the dark tunnel of EY medical care.”

    eh heh….no way. they double wrongly diagnosed my wife’s broken arm.

    #926908

    how is hadassah… oh wait! my insurance won’t let me see a specialist!

    #926909

    147
    Participant

    snowbunny3318:- Nechomah, I understand that, however due to the logistics of bringing me my medicine, I might not be able to get more until after pesach unless I go to a medicine gemach…

    I utilize Prevacid which works very well.

    As for Passover issue, my Dr explained me, that it is impossible for there to be Chometz in Prevacid based on its composition, even if from a Far Est of Latin American country, so no reason to wait until after Passover to stock up.

    #926910

    Nechomah
    Participant

    147 – I don’t think chometz was the issue with her not getting her medication before Pesach, rather the fact that she can get it only in America and that seems to be the next time that she expects to be going there.

    #926911

    the point is how is the medicine going to get here?

    #926912

    Also, I am not going back to America for pesach, I know someone who is going to my hometown to visit family from E”Y on Pesach, and they said that they would bring me anything that I needed. Believe me, my family is not wealthy at all. Also, the director of my program is convincing my mom to have me do sherut leumi next year, so I don’t know when the next time I would be going back to America would be. (Feel free to revive any old threads that you would like).

    #926913

    147
    Participant

    Believe me, my family is not wealthy at all

    I order my Prevacid over the internet, from 3rd world countries, and you snowbunny3318 may wish to do the same.

    My Dr. told me, that if my stomach is not bothering me, this proves that the medicine is doing its job, even if from a 3rd world country, and this type of medication is even easier than most medications, to know if it is functioning its desired effects.

    #926914

    My mom wants to do it through mail order so that way, it will be covered by my american health insurance…

    #926915

    147
    Participant

    Most American Medical Insurances don’t recognize this medicine as being a longterm ongoing necessity, and hence don’t cover it, and hence that I have been ordering over the internet from 3rd world countries.

    #926916

    I hear, but I have only taken it for a month… at least I could get a second month?

    #926917

    Health
    Participant

    147 -“Most American Medical Insurances don’t recognize this medicine as being a longterm ongoing necessity”

    I wonder why? Perhaps it’s because certain Docs use this drug as a catch all, instead of diagnosing the real problem. Like we’ve seen in SB’s case.

    So what happens is the pts. that really need it -lose out.

    #926918

    I am still in the process of searching for a doctor who is willing to fill out all the paperwork to refer me to a specialist. I have to check in with a friend of mine who said her parent’s might know someone.

    Anyway, I had an amazing start to my day! I went to a sherut leumi expo, and things with that are moving even quicker than I can keep track of them. The only thing is that at 12:20 Israel time, my stomach started having a ton of pain. I stayed for the last ten minutes of class, but even meeting with the therapist for a half hour didn’t change the pain situation. Unfortunately, I was not able to attend my afternoon classes 🙁

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