August 22, 2016 2:32 am at 2:32 am #618190
How can the numerous frum media outlets use the term “mekomos hakedoshim” in Chutz La’aretz? Are cemeteries really holy places?
All of Eretz Yisroel has kedusha. The most secular street corner in Tel Aviv has more Kedusha than all of Europe combined (except, of course, shuls and Batei Medrashim that have kedusha because of the tefillos and Torah that are there).
How can they really apply the same term to Chutz La’aretz where our Chochamim have decreed Tum’ah?August 22, 2016 3:47 am at 3:47 am #1170056JosephParticipant
Is this another Zionist screed?August 22, 2016 5:02 am at 5:02 am #1170057Avi KParticipant
Joseph, are you a PA troll?August 22, 2016 11:49 am at 11:49 am #1170058
Eretz Yisrael (especially Kedushas Eretz Yisrael) has nothing to do with zionism. It is zionistic to think that it does!August 22, 2016 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1170059
A Beis Medrash (even in Chutz L’Aretz) is a Makom Kadosh.August 22, 2016 11:56 am at 11:56 am #1170060
And anti-zionism has nothing to do with the PA. Some would say the opposite!August 22, 2016 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #1170061takahmamashParticipant
A Beis Medrash (even in Chutz L’Aretz) is a Makom Kadosh.
True. However, once it’s torn down and the space becomes an apartment building or a parking lot, there is no more kedusha. In E”Y, places retain kedusha forever. The tiniest fingernail of dirt from the sketchiest neighborhood in Tel Aviv has more kedusha than all of your “mekomas Torah” combined.August 22, 2016 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1170062gavra_at_workParticipant
Eretz Yisrael (especially Kedushas Eretz Yisrael) has nothing to do with zionism. It is zionistic to think that it does!
This is where Joe fails. Just because there is a Medina, Mandate or PA doesn’t mean that the very air, soil and rocks of our land do not belong to us. Hashem gave this land to us no matter who “controls” it. We are commanded to treat it differently than other lands. It is more Kadosh by definition than any other land in the universe.
I’m bothered by the same concerns as the OP.August 22, 2016 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1170064
Let’s try to stay on the topic. The word “Zionism” doesn’t appear anywhere in my opening post. I’m just focusing in on the concept of Kedusha.August 22, 2016 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #1170066Abba_SParticipant
Do you mean like 770 Eastern Parkway or or BMG in Lakewood NJAugust 22, 2016 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1170067Mashiach AgentMember
Why wasn’t my post posted? You posted AbbasAugust 22, 2016 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1170068apushatayidParticipant
The OP is almost certainly referring to a photo essay on the news page of YWN that uses the term. Some of the photos appear to be taken in a shul/beis medrash but most at various kevorim.
A shul, anywhere in the world is a mikdash meat, so I suppose the term makom kadosh is not inappropriate.
The kevarim are likely kivrei tzadikim, and places where yidden go to daven regularly, so again the term may not be inappropriate.August 22, 2016 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1170069
As I mentioned originally, places that conduct Tefillos and Limud Torah do have a Kedusha. I’m specifically talking about cemeteries and kevorim.August 22, 2016 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #1170070☕️coffee addictParticipant
If it makes you feel any better mine wasn’t posted eitherAugust 22, 2016 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #1170071YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
coffee addict, I don’t see one from you.August 22, 2016 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #1170072☕️coffee addictParticipant
That’s weird, I thought I posted it
Not every place in Israel has kedushah eretz yisrael
There are some places that neither the olei bavel or olei mitzrayim capturedAugust 22, 2016 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1170073
The Frumguy – so we do see though that you can have kedusha in Chu”l which seemed to be your original objection, as you wrote, “How can they really apply the same term to Chutz La’aretz where our Chochamim have decreed Tum’ah?”
But we still don’t have an answer regarding whether or not Kivrei Tzaddikim can be called Mekomos Hakedoshim. I do agree that it sounds funny to call a place in chu”l a makom kadosh, but that is just my feeling and I don’t know if it’s true or not.August 22, 2016 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #1170074iacisrmmaParticipant
It is based on a Passuk in Tehillim (16:3): ????????????, ??????-???????? ?????? – As for the holy that are in the earth.August 22, 2016 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1170075
Iacisrmma – they are kadosh; does it follow that the place they are buried is kadosh?
For that matter, all yidden are Kadosh, so any place where there are Yidden should be considered Kadosh.
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