Mesivta – Elite vs. Tier 2

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  • #1381300

    MesivtaSearch
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    Hello,

    I’m a BT and not familiar with all of the various mesivta options around the tri-state area.

    I keep hearing references to the Harvard of Mesivtas (Philly) or the Yale of Mesivtas (Long Beach). But I wasn’t able to find any online resources listing the various options and their respective strengths or focus areas. My kids are not yet at the age where selecting a mesivta is imminent, I’m assuming their rebbes will be able too make recommendations when its time to apply but I’m asking more for my own benefit and interest.

    What are the (yeshivish/black hat/litvish) mesivta options that are considered the “elite” schools, or does such a thing even exist?

    Thanks

    #1381325

    Joseph
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    Did you check the Yated News and World Report yeshiva rankings?

    #1381334

    MesivtaSearch
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    Looking for substantive replies.

    For added clarity my kids are FFB and going to a normal “in-town” elementary school yeshiva.

    #1381411

    groissechuchum
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    ivy league literally opens doors in a job search. whether guy goes to fallsburg or waterbury he can still go to the mir

    #1381395

    iacisrmma
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    There are no “elite” schools……only administrators who think their schools cater to the “elite”. Ask your friends where they send their children and what they think of the mesivta. Is dorming an option or do you want your children home every night? Is a strong Limudei Chol department important? My sons have attended yeshivos as diverse as Mesivta Rabbi Chaim Berlin, Yeshiva Chofetz Chayim (Queens), Meon Hatorah (AKA “Roosevelt” now in Monsey), Belle Harbor. Each of my sons was included on the decision. Some wanted to dorm; others didn’t. Some wanted a challenging Limudei Chol department; some not. If dorming is not an option, then Philly and Long Beach are not even in the realm.

    Another question is whether your son’s elementary school has a mesivta. If yes and your child is finding success, why switch?

    #1381442

    apushatayid
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    Look for a yeshiva where your son will shteig in torah, middos and yiras shamayim. If he does he is in the right place, if he doesnt, look for a new place.

    #1381487

    MesivtaSearch
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    What Mesivtas are known to have strong limudei chol departments where the kids and administration actually take them seriously but still maintains strong hashkafa in the limudei kodesh?

    #1381514

    Joseph
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    There’s always a trade off between limudei kodesh and limudei chol. An improvement in one necessitates at least a somewhat lower quality in the other.

    #1381620

    apushatayid
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    “There’s always a trade off between limudei kodesh and limudei chol.”

    This is false.

    When your son reaches the 8th grade, speak with his rebbe and/or menahel for guidance. speak to your rav.

    #1381682

    Joseph
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    Been there, done that. There’s most definitely a trade-off. The greater focus a yeshiva places on one detracts from the other. There are only so many hours in a child’s school day.

    #1382477

    apushatayid
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    Been there, done that. one does not detract from the other.

    #1382487

    Joseph
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    Don’t kid yourself. If a yeshiva eliminated limudei chol, they can easily improve both the quality and quantity of Limudei Kodesh.

    #1382621

    CTRebbe
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    What people refer to as elite yeshivas are not necessarily the best place even for a smart kid. One kid may be crushed by the pressure in riverdale. Another may not do well by having 35-40 kids in his shiur in Long Beach. If your kids are not at the age when you are making a selection, don’t even think about it now. Your job now is to learn with him when you can, inspire him to grow, encourage him and be a good role model. Don’t forget to daven for his success- that is really key. Tears when saying birchas hatorah is very powerful. Much more than the decsision of which yeshiva to toy with. (they might reject you anyway if you do not have the right money or yichus)

    #1384748

    FuturePOTUS
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    “What Mesivtas are known to have strong limudei chol departments where the kids and administration actually take them seriously but still maintains strong hashkafa in the limudei kodesh?”

    Darchei HaTorah in Far Rockaway.

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