December 29, 2015 6:02 am at 6:02 am #616930
I am looking for a Mesivta for my 13 year old son.
The criteria are:
1) Teach kids to be a mentch.
3) Good Lemudai Kodesh
4) Good Lemudai Chol
5) Are not yeshivish. If a place uses the work “geshmak” in their every day vocabulary, then the yeshiva is not for me son.
6) Prepares him for college
Any leads? I do not care if it requires dorming.December 29, 2015 7:55 am at 7:55 am #1120699
I went to mesivta yesodei yeshurun. Both the learning and secular studies were excellent. It might be more yeshivish than you are looking for (many talmidim there so say “geshmak”).
Another school in the area is Chofetz Chaim. I didn’t go there, but I had friends that did. The learning is great, and there is a genuine emphasis on middos. It’s probably less yeshivish in the stereotypical way.December 29, 2015 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1120700
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipant
Birdson read my mind. Definitely Mesivta Chofetz Chaim fills the criteria that you stated. Their Limeudi Chol has really picked up over the past few years. While your son would be academically prepared for college, it won’t be encouraged. The vast majority of boys go branching after HS, where they spend (typically) 3 years in one of the various branches throughout the USA, Vancouver and Israel. Most importantly, the derech of the entire yeshiva continues to put a big emphasis on middos and mentchlicht. It’s also an extremely warm place with great Rebbeim.
Of course, once your son goes there, it’s likely he’ll become a part of the “cult”. Once guys get “Chofetz Chaimed”, they stay in the system forever, so if you’re dreaming of an eventual Lakewood boy, it’s less likely.December 29, 2015 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1120701
AWOB how many lakewood boys do you know that go to college? The op clearly wants a mesivta for his son and then for him to go to college.December 29, 2015 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #1120702
Mesivta Chaim Shlomo (Darchei) is an excellent choice. It is run by Rabbi Yaakov Bender, shlita. They have all kinds of programs for the bochurim. They offer AP courses for the boys. They definitely prepare you for college, though they will not encourage you to go. they also will not discourage you.
I know many boys that graduated from MCS, went to EY, came back and went to schools such as Harvard Law, NYU, etc. and they are all fine bnei Torah.December 29, 2015 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1120703
Pacific Torah Institute. It’s right around the corner from one of the places you might be posting from, right on Oak and 41st!
(IOW, what’s your geographical requirement?)December 29, 2015 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1120704
Almost all guys nowadays use the word “geshmak”. It has nothing to do with being Yeshivish. The Yeshivishe guys say “geshmak”, and the non-Yeshivsh guys say “it’s freekin’ geshmak”.
I am in that world and know it well.
Just be very cautious. There is a lot of very scary stuff going on in the teenage world nowadays. Even in Yeshivos. So while trying to protect your child from words like “geshmak”, he might get exposed to many things you would have never dreamed of when you were a teenager. I cannot specify on this type of forum, but I can warn you. bIt’s better to send to a sheltered place like Philly, who also take English seriously, then to send to other places, even if your son might use words like “geshmak”.
I do not know anything about Chofetz Chaim. That might be an option. However, as mentioned above. it is a little cult-like. They have their own way of thinking and their own way of living. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. Just different.December 29, 2015 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1120705
Chofetz Chaim fits the criteria that you’re looking for. I’m not saying that the limudei chol is amazing, but they prepare the boys for the regents and they give APs, too.
What everyone is saying about a cult is 100% true, though. If he does get sucked into the system, he will most likely not want to leave. However, Chofetz Chaim does allow (but does not encourage) boys to go to college at a certain point. I personally have dated two Chofetz Chaim boys who were taking Landers classes; both of them were serious learners, not yeshivish, mentschen, and well-rounded intellectually. Trust me, they were not using overly yeshivish lingo.December 29, 2015 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #1120706
Darchei sounds like it fits your criteria, as well.December 29, 2015 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1120707
I personally have dated two Chofetz Chaim boys who were taking Landers classes; both of them were serious learners, not yeshivish, mentschen, and well-rounded intellectually. Trust me, they were not using overly yeshivish lingo.
What are their names?December 29, 2015 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #1120708
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
LolDecember 29, 2015 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1120709
What are their names?
One was Popa Bar Abba, the other had the last name “Yochid”. Strange last name, I’ll admit.
At least she had the sense not to date the already working gavra.
🙂December 29, 2015 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1120710
PBA- wish I could say. They’re both good boys… just didn’t work out for me.December 29, 2015 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #1120711
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Tell him – he neeeeeeds to know!
We promise, we won’t look, only popa will.December 29, 2015 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1120712
You aren’t even marrying them! Why are you preventing other girls from finding these guys after telling us how good they are?
rasha.December 29, 2015 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1120713
I think the feminine form of rasha is rashantaDecember 29, 2015 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #1120714
I think the feminine form of rasha is rashanta
someone clearly went to a modernishe high school that teaches dikduk.December 29, 2015 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1120715
In Bklyn,,,, on Nostrand Avenue
Mesivta Ohr Yisroel, adequate secular education and not negative to higher education.December 29, 2015 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #1120716
I think “geshmak” was popular in the 90sDecember 30, 2015 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1120717
Ohr Reuven in MonseyDecember 30, 2015 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #1120718
Mesivta Bais Shraga in MonseyDecember 31, 2015 12:48 am at 12:48 am #1120719
NOT Bais Shraga.
Good school but definitely yeshivish, discouraging college (they’re not allowed to take the SAT).
(But we’ve had the yeshivish-or-not discussion already 🙂 )
Shaar HaTorah in Queens? I don’t think it’s super yeshivish at this point, and it seems to be fine with college, considering it offers APs.
EVERYONE EVERYWHERE will use the word geshmak.
Unless you’re looking more for a yeshiva high school like MTA? Can’t really tell from your post.December 31, 2015 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1120720
Check out Texas Torah Institute in Dallas.December 31, 2015 11:49 am at 11:49 am #1120721
@a woman outside Brooklyn, I am an alumni of Chofetz Chaim and in no way is it a “cult” its called a mahalach which, yes they do focus on that a lot in their education and limud hatorah.December 31, 2015 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #1120722
What about Shaarei Torah in Monsey? Rabbi Wolmark’s yeshiva.December 31, 2015 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #1120723
Check out Texas Torah Institute in Dallas.
Second this.January 6, 2016 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1120724
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipant
Two of the mesivtas mentioned above are actually part of the Chofetz Chaim system – PTI and Texas Torah Inst.
A pretty good “comprise” HS where you don’t have to sacrifice Chol for Kodesh or visa versa is Ateres Yaakov (South Shore) in Lawrence. Many boys went to college after a year or so in Israel, some are now in the Mir.
But I still suggest you look into Chofetz Chaim.
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