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May 4, 2026 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #2544358Chaim87Participant
What does Mesora mean?
I know it means following the tradition of our fathers and grandfathers. How far back does it go? Is it only for yekkis who keep things like the Rama for 500 years? What about chasdim that changed many minhagim? So is it perhaps 200 years?
Take skver for example, it has a rich 200 year tradtion going back to chernoybel. But most and many of its followers come from ahskenz oberlanbder backgrounds. The dayan R Nieshaltz is that too, So if you are a skverea with ahskenz grandparents whats your mesora? Are you doing like your grandparents? could you just stop wearing teflin c moed, daven sefard etc.
What about a new chasidus like emunas yisroel? Does its style become mesora?
What about Vein that now davens sefard in most places, wears shtriemls, eats in beis haknesis waits for 72? Is that now its “mesora”?
How about Satmar? Yes the reba zya was a ruv in a town and traces back to the ytev lev. Its chasidus really started in the USA. Is that mesora?
Skver and Satmar now make campfires on log baomer. years ago they mocked it. Is this now a “mesora”
Granted that some like the sanza rebas, Ger Belz or chabad tace back 250 years but many don’t.I won’t even get into that the whole not mishing on pesach stems from the olden days when there wasn’t normal hashgachas and many in town weren’t religous so you didn’t eat by your neighbor. Yes things also weren’t as controlled and mix ups occurred more often. Now it became a strict “mesora”? Some chasdim today had clewan shaven grandparents who weren’t even as strict.
I recentley read a tumelit about singing new songs by the seder. So whats mesora? The shumel kunda daynau but not shweky vhia shmuda? (Shmuel kunda zl was a great man and tzadik so this isn’t intended to knock him cvs)
I’d love to hear what mesora really means? Please be emes to yourself
May 5, 2026 10:52 am at 10:52 am #2544612HaKatanParticipantChaim87:
Why not ask your LOR instead?
May 5, 2026 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #2545220Chaim87Participant@HaKatan
Its not a halcha question and not suited to ask my LOR. I am asking you. Whats your answer other than making a new mesora to be anti zionist bec its now more “charedish”May 5, 2026 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #2545126ujmParticipantChaim: Did you pick up your incorrect historical examples from the Internet, likely from Modern/Barely “Orthodox” blogs?
May 5, 2026 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #2545084qwerty613ParticipantTo HaKatan
Because then he’ll just get his answer, but here he’ll start a fight, as is the case with almost all of the threads.
May 6, 2026 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #2546086HaKatanParticipant@Chaim87:
It certainly is halacha, including examples you mentioned (true or otherwise), though proper hashkafa is also a Torah requirement, not just a theoretically nice thing.
Of course, staying far away from Zionist idolatry – as opposed to promoting it with nebulous stories from 70 years ago – is pretty basic Torah, but that’s besides the point.May 6, 2026 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2546151Chaim87Participant@ujm,
Please tell me whats the “incorrect historical examples “? My grandfather was a viener. is it not true that they davened ahskneaz, wore teflin on c moed and ate gebrochtiz? Is not true that they held machine matzas were lachthcila? Thats MO?
Now is not true that many vieners became skevaras? What does it mean when a skevra of ashknez descent says they not to follow skevra mesora?
How about a bobova of hungarin descent?
@qwerty613
This forum is made to discuss things. I doubt an LOR will have a clear emes answer. Noone is looking for a fight just an emesdik answer.
Perhaps this kind of emes conversation is painful to some. But its a fair question.May 6, 2026 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2546154commonsaychelParticipant@op, An example of your mesora is asking stupid irrelevant question like “cheap housing in the Catskills” when it does not even apply to you
May 6, 2026 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2546173nevuahParticipantHakatan you might be stretching what the Torah requires. Zionism is a belief system that has nothing to do with Torah. Lol
May 6, 2026 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2546181Chaim87Participant@HaKatan
On the topic of LOR. I asked mine about zionsim and he told me its a machlokos and both sides are right. So it seems like that you aren’t Ok with just asking my LORMay 6, 2026 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2546182GadolHadofiParticipantmicro,
Proper hashkafa is also a Torah requirement, not just a theoretically nice thing. Of course, staying far away from anti-Zionist idolatry – as opposed to promoting it with nebulous stories from 90 years ago – is pretty basic Torah, but that’s besides the point.
Of course you don’t care since you always lift up the hem of your skirt and run to worship your made-up ant-Zionist goddess and her one anti-Semitic commandment. You simply can’t control yourself because you’re a nasty Nazi Kapo!
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