December 30, 2012 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #916498
Firstly… the Bobover Rebbe Rav Shloma Ztl was Rav in Bobov for several years. It is true that once he accepted the hanhager as Rebbe, he no longer acted as a communal Rav. However to the chasidim he was always called The Rav….. anyway, i take your point, although i dont particularly agree. I know from experience that if he was doing this strictly because of a doctors orders he would have told me so.As i mentioned, he did explain that the roll was made with fruit juice and was hence a mazonas. On another level,Chasidim often watched their Rebbes intently, learning from their ways and trying to emulate them, here the Rav went out of his way to explain the circumstances.
As for his aversion to sandwiches, he spoke on many occasions to the bochurim that sandwiches were not a Yidisha way to eat. They were created by Lord Sandwich so that he could fress continuously and not even need a plate. This the Rav Ztl said was gluttony and a chosed should try to be more refined in his approach to eating. He wanted eating to be an avodah and not just a means to an end. On the same subject there were many times when he would teach the olam by the tish about proper manners in eating.December 30, 2012 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #916499
And I thought Hillel Hazoken invented the sandwich by establishing Korach at the seder?!December 30, 2012 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #916500
Shmendrick: They have had laffas in Arab lands for a long time. I don’t think Hillel invented the sandwich with Korech. Also, the invention of the sandwich by the Earl of Sandwich means in Christendom. The Arabs had them forever.December 31, 2012 6:27 am at 6:27 am #916501
Health: it’s just seemed too complicated to wash at the time, and not washing felt wrong. I didn’t think of “not touching” the bread, but I’d probably need gloves/plastic bags for that. Everything, including water, is available in a hospital, I just don’t usually like to bother the nurses, and when I do there’s no telling when my request will be fulfilled.
In order to wash while in bed (assuming I’m hooked up to iv or haven’t yet gotten out or I simply don’t feel up to it) I’d need a proper cup (usually use the ice water pitcher) something to pour the water into (the bedpan- why else is it there; and then I’d need to explain “that it’s only water”) and of course paper towels to dry my hands on (tissues will work, but they will shred). Again, nothing impossible, just not worth the effort for one slice of bread when not in the best of health, AND have to bentsch afterwards. My point was that the OU/chufK/OK I’m not really sure who, would do many patients a favor by making it mezonos.December 31, 2012 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #916502
Mammele -“I didn’t think of “not touching” the bread, but I’d probably need gloves/plastic bags for that.”
These breads usually come with a wrapper -you could use that.
“My point was that the OU/chufK/OK I’m not really sure who, would do many patients a favor by making it mezonos.”
It’s the hospital staff that puts together the meals -they can choose a Hamotzay product or a Mezonos product, nothing to do with the Kashrus orgs.
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