Midvar sheker tirchak- never tell a lie
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August 31, 2016 5:35 am at 5:35 am #1176571☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
Yes, but CA wanted to use it for when you’ve done something wrong.August 31, 2016 6:19 am at 6:19 am #1176572
Coffee Addict’s point was that even thought they were covering up for themselves (and could have used the Shalom takes precedence over Emes argument) they still made sure not to tell an out-right sheker. He was trying to say that when you are covering up for yourself, you are not allowed to lie.
I argued that they were still being deceitful (just less so).
You argued that we can’t learn from what the shevatim did, because maybe they were wrong just like they were wrong about Mechiras Yosef.
I am saying that we can learn from them because even though they may have been wrong about Mechiras Yosef, there is no reason to believe they were also mistaken when it comes to the halachos of lying.
So I’m not sure what your point is. Is your point that if someone is the kind of person to do something wrong, what he says doesn’t matter? If so, I don’t get your point. Nobody is perfect. Just because he made one mistake, he doesn’t have to make a second one by lying. Also, he might not have done something that was objectively wrong – it could just be that he knows someone will get upset about it.September 1, 2016 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1176573
I thought I put this thread to rest by not posting on it and now I see comlinx who has been dormant started it up again
You two are confusing me
Lilmod seems to me to be taking my side and comlinx her side, I actually stopped posting here because it was bothering Lilmod with all the lashon hara/motzei shem ra
We’re coming up to the yom im neraim so it shouldn’t really matter anymore
1) If you feel something is a lie ask yourself is it worth it vi? a vi? lashon hara
So mechiras Yosef is justified, but Yaakov will be distressed to
hear of it, so misleading him is justified in order to spare him.
This doesn’t mean that if you do something actually wrong, it’s okay
to lie about it because hearing about it will distress the other person.
What do you say to that, Coffee
They didn’t lie
I’m so confused, partially because I don’t log in on my computer and can’t see a whole comment at onceSeptember 1, 2016 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1176575☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
The type of ten dollar bill shown in the video was around at the time the story took place.
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Shkoyach Daas Yachid!September 1, 2016 9:15 am at 9:15 am #1176577
Thank you dy,
That’s why I asked it the way I did originally, if I had your answer 3 weeks ago a lot of this conversation wouldn’t have happened and this thread would’ve been closed
All I really wanted was your answerSeptember 1, 2016 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm #1176578☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
CA, the way you titled the thread seemed to indicate that you thought it was a sheker.
At least that’s how I read it.September 1, 2016 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1176579
You’re right, when I saw it on Tisha bav I thought it was a new 10 so I titled it like that
Additionally, the number one rule in writing a news article or story is make a titled that people would want to read your article
I think it’s a lot more interesting than “this year’s Tisha bav video” or something like thatSeptember 1, 2016 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1176580apushatayidParticipant
The number one rule in writing a news article or story is midvar sheker tirchak, not a catchy come on. If you can accomplish both, great.September 1, 2016 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1176581
APY: “The number one rule in writing a news article or story is midvar sheker tirchak, not a catchy come on. If you can accomplish both, great.”
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