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  • #604306
    popa_bar_abba
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    So I go to a mikva today to tovel my new backpacking pots. ($8 dollars from Dick’s Sporting goods; aluminum pots; weigh a couple ounces).

    There is a sign in the mikva: “Usage of this mikva is not free. Please deposit money in the box”.

    And I’m thinking, what do you mean it isn’t free? Of course it is free! Look, you walk in, you dip your stuff, you leave your garbage on the floor, you leave your stickers on the mikva lid, and you walk out. And make yummy cupcakes in your new pans. What is not free about that?

    So tell me: What makes them think that my gezeilah is worse than their sheker?

    #1008558
    Csar
    Member

    Who are you dedicating this troll thread to?

    #1008559
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    In honor of all the stupid serious posts that will be posted when I bump my “In honor of Tisha b’av” thread.

    (Please don’t bump it before tisha b’av, everyone. It is only for tisha b’av, and I don’t want to use up all our serious posts before then.)

    #1008560
    Sam2
    Participant

    PBA: Those are mutually exclusive events. If you committed G’zeilah, then they weren’t lying. And if they were lying, then you didn’t steal.

    #1008561
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    PBA: Those are mutually exclusive events. If you committed G’zeilah, then they weren’t lying. And if they were lying, then you didn’t steal.

    Exactly. So it is free.

    #1008562
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    Not free as in it costs the owners for you to use it. It doesn’t cost you anything!

    #1008563
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    oh, here’s where I’d asked to not bump it

    #1008564
    Ðash®
    Participant

    How do you make cupcakes in backpacking pots?

    #1008565
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Had you started a thread to ask not to bump it, maybe I would have noticed, and bumped it.

    #1008566
    pixelate
    Member

    I don’t understand this ^ whole thread.- Why does a messy mik mean they can’t charge you to use it?

    It cost money to build, right?

    #1008568
    TheGoq
    Participant

    Popa you must tip before you dip and don’t give any lip for if your tongue does slip and someones feelings you do snip because of on your shoulder there is a chip then said person will put his fist in a grip and through a straw your meals will you have to sip.

    #1008569
    frumeyid
    Participant

    Goq, I like that! Made me chuckle.

    #1008570
    gotbeer
    Member

    Greatest post ever……!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1008571
    TheGoq
    Participant

    Thank you frumeyid and gotbeer.

    #1008572
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I’m bringing goq to the mikva next time. I need protection.

    #1008574
    TheGoq
    Participant

    I got your back popa and i know you are withholding praise during this mournful period but come chatzos on yud av i want my kudos.

    #1008575
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Popa: Of course when you said “Then it’s free” in response to Sam2 that implies that you paid. If you paid for a free mikva, that makes you a freier.

    #1008576
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Indeed, only a freier would pay for a free mikva.

    #1008577
    TheGoq
    Participant

    This thread is funny I am bumping without popas permission.

    #1008578
    amichai
    Participant

    not keeping with the purim spirit, why don’t the users throw out all the garbage they take off the dishes, utensils etc. usually they even provide a garbage can near the keilim mikva for usage.

    #1008579
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    i think people are hesitant to throw the garbage away because if they decide to return the stuff they want to be able to come back and find all the wrappings.

    #1008580

    “(Please don’t bump it before tisha b’av, everyone. It is only for tisha b’av, and I don’t want to use up all our serious posts before then.)”

    PBA- coz its very hard for you to think of serious posts.

    #1008581
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    You know Popa, some people (namely the Gra and Rabbi Abadi) hold aluminum doesn’t have to be tovelled.

    #1008582
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    A Freilichin Purim, Yitayningwut!

    #1008583
    TheGoq
    Participant

    A MEGA MEGA MEGA WELCOME BACK TO YITAYNINGWUT!!!!!!!!!!

    #1008584
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    A freilichen Purim DY, Thanks Goq 🙂

    #1008585
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I’m not in Yerushhalayim, but thanks. 🙂

    The shittos regarding tevilah of aluminum range from patur, chayav mid’rabbonon, to chayav mid’Oraisa.

    #1008586
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    yes, but where I come from, “doesn’t have to be toveled” is code for “tovel without a bracha”.

    lol

    Interesting, I didn’t know aluminum was different than other metals. But honestly, in the time I would have spent figuring out whether to tovel it, I just dumped it in the bath.

    Goes back to http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/annoying-too-many-people-care-about-halacha

    #1008587
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The shittos regarding tevilah of aluminum range from patur, chayav mid’rabbonon, to chayav mid’Oraisa.

    I’ve actually heard some say it is pattur aval assur.

    #1008588
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Lol 🙂

    The opinion is based on the position that only the six metals mentioned in the Torah require tevilah and glass is the only thing they decreed upon to tovel without a bracha.

    The six metals are gold, silver, copper, iron, tin, and lead.

    Stainless steel, by the way, is included, since steel is made with iron.

    #1008589
    apushatayid
    Participant

    i heard it was a shayla of pas akum.

    #1008590
    oomis
    Participant

    You know Popa, some people (namely the Gra and Rabbi Abadi) hold aluminum doesn’t have to be tovelled.”

    I have only actually heard that idea in relation to aluminum FOIL pans. But bottom line, if ever you have a safeik bracha on keilim that are being toveled, bring along something that absolutely MUST be toveled, and make the brocha over those items, with the idea in mind that IF the other items actually required tevilah, then the brocha also covers them.

    #1008591
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    If you go yourself to the mikva and also tovel keilim at the same time, can you make one bracha for both?

    Al hatevilos?

    Al hatevila v’al tevilas keilim?

    Al tevilas keilim v’gufim?

    #1008592
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Al Teviloseinu

    #1008593
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    I have only actually heard that idea in relation to aluminum FOIL pans.

    Well, I have heard it in relation to all kinds of aluminum. It’s in Ohr Yitzchak II YD 17, and the Gra is cited there as well.

    #1008594
    akuperma
    Participant

    Many places have free mikvos for keilim, sometimes with big signs on the halcha and the brachos, and a trash can for the stickers and packaging. Stores sometimes have a mikva for keilim.

    #1008595

    My rav’s psak on aluminum pans: buy it; take it home; bend it backwards such that it’s not usable; bend it back again. Now, since you fixed it from an unusable state, it’s as if you made it, and since you’re a Jew, it doesn’t require toveling. And the whole thing takes less than a minute 🙂

    #1008596
    Logician
    Participant

    DY or Sam2, could you weigh in here ? Is that called broken ? Was it ever really in a ‘defferent state’ ? I’m not liking that svara.

    #1008597
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t like the sevara either. If it’s something anyone can easily fix, it was never broken.

    There are legitimate heterim not to tovel aluminum disposables, though.

    #1008598
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Here’s my psak–buy aluminum, and make it into a pan. That’s definitely ok.

    #1008599
    squeak
    Participant

    Has the rov heard of shape memory? Maybe part of the memory is that the aluminum remembers a goy made it?

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