May 13, 2011 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #596882
What is your custom and why?May 13, 2011 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #770046
Kiddush, milchig, wait, wash, fleishig.
You know why!May 13, 2011 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #770047
Dairy and Pareve. We are vegetarians.May 13, 2011 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #770048
Kiddush, fleishig, wait, wash, milchig.
j/kMay 13, 2011 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #770049
I thought vegetarians needed to have a “token” of something fleishig to be yotze ????? ????May 13, 2011 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #770050
Charlie, do you eat fish?May 13, 2011 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #770051ImaofthreeParticipant
This year I am planning on serving fleishig for the evening meals and dairy for the two lunch meals. cheesecake here I come! 🙂May 13, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #770052
“Charlie, do you eat fish? “
Yes.May 13, 2011 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #770053
‘I thought vegetarians needed to have a “token” of something fleishig to be yotze ????? ???? ‘
In my experience it is quite rare for the seudah after a brit to be fleishig.May 13, 2011 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #770054
Then I think that’s also considered “basar”, although it’s something I haven’t (yet) researched thoroughly.
In my experience it is quite rare for the seudah after a brit to be fleishig.
There are some who do serve meat, because it is, IIRC, considered preferable. The reason most don’t is because most people (including the guests) are unaccustomed to eating meat in the morning.May 13, 2011 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #770055bezalelParticipant
Kiddush, fleishig, wait, wash, milchig.
IIRC milchig is never allowed after fleishig in the same meal regardless of how long the meal takes (or how short your minhag is to wait).May 13, 2011 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #770056
IIRC milchig is never allowed after fleishig in the same meal regardless of how long the meal takes (or how short your minhag is to wait).
I remember it as a machlokes. I’ll bl”n look it up over Shabbos and get back to you.May 13, 2011 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #770057mewhoParticipant
we do one dairy meal in honor of tradition. the rest are meatMay 14, 2011 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #770058Mother in IsraelMember
In EY, the seuda after a bris is almost always fleishig, even if it’s served at 8 am.May 14, 2011 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #770059ramateshkolianMember
I heard a shiur from Rav Yitzchok Berkowitz, SHLITA, several years ago about how in the case of shavuos, milk reperesents the Torah, and so the Simcha is through milchigs, NOT basar v’yayin like in all other yomim tovim. It was deeper than that, but that’s the gist. I wonder what his personal minhag is, but since then I think that people are misguided in their eating meat every meal for this Yom Tov.
Does anyone agree with me that it’s become another thing that is the ‘frummer’ thing to do totally based on nothing?May 15, 2011 1:42 am at 1:42 am #770060
The machlokes I remembered is about fleishigs after milchigs. Since you were responding to my post about the reverse, you’d be right, one would need to clear the table and say a bracha acharona first (this is actually a machlokes rishonim, but this is how we pasken).May 15, 2011 1:44 am at 1:44 am #770061
Does anyone agree with me that it’s become another thing that is the ‘frummer’ thing to do totally based on nothing?
I can’t answer your question, since I don’t know of anyone who agrees with you. I can say that I disagree.May 15, 2011 2:04 am at 2:04 am #770062amichaiParticipant
milchig both meals.May 15, 2011 2:11 am at 2:11 am #770063s2021Member
ramat- No, its not based on nothing. Most men I know seriously dont tolerate dairy meals- its simply not FOOD in their dictionary Yom Tov or not…May 15, 2011 2:14 am at 2:14 am #770064
“Does anyone agree with me that it’s become another thing that is the ‘frummer’ thing to do totally based on nothing?”
No. It clearly is stated about basar for seudas YO”T.
There is an additional inyan of milchig on Shavuos for several reasons, only one of which you bring up.
So some do both, not either/or.May 15, 2011 2:17 am at 2:17 am #770065
“In EY, the seuda after a bris is almost always fleishig, even if it’s served at 8 am.”
Mostly where I am, too. I was totally stunned to hear that it’s not mostly the case, as Charlie says.May 15, 2011 2:24 am at 2:24 am #770066
“Then I think that’s also considered “basar”, although it’s something I haven’t (yet) researched thoroughly. “
My rabbi says just that.May 15, 2011 4:10 am at 4:10 am #770067
Kiddush, wash, meat, wait, more meat, wait, more meat, wait, more meat.May 15, 2011 4:43 am at 4:43 am #770068
Have some bread after you wash.
Otherwise, I do the same as you, except for the waiting part. ?May 15, 2011 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #770069mamashtakahMember
Milchigs at night, because who feels like eating meat when the chag starts so late?
Milchigs during the day, because who feels like sleeping until noon and then eating a heavy meal?
(Besides, if one can have ice cream or cheesecake for dessert, why eat meat?)
And that’s it – one day, as it was meant to be.May 15, 2011 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #770070always hereParticipant
Kiddush, milchig, wait, wash, fleishig.
one year I made a milchig lunch.. everyone in my family was very happy, except my husband. ..my husband says fish & meat for seudas, including for a morning bris.May 15, 2011 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #770071
This is important:
If you are going to eat milchigs and then fleishigs, you need to remember to not taste the meat when you are cooking it on erev yontif. (My brother and father did that last year, and were fleishig.)May 15, 2011 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #770072
If you are going to eat milchigs and then fleishigs, you need to remember to not taste the meat when you are cooking it on erev yontif.
Unless you’re Dutch.May 15, 2011 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #770073
Unless you’re Dutch.
Are Dutch really Jewish?May 15, 2011 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #770074
Are Dutch really Jewish?
Some of the men are.
For example, Rabbi Ralbag is Dutch.May 15, 2011 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #770075Pac-ManMember
Rabbi Ralbag from Triangle-K?May 15, 2011 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #770076
Yes. Does that ruin the joke?May 15, 2011 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #770077Daniel Q BlogMember
The lists of reasons for milchigs is out of control. I heard a shiur once…mamish like 20-25 reasons, likely not an exhaustive list.
Nonetheless, the Rema in Shulchan Aruch gives the reason because one is supposed to eat both challahs in lechem mishna, as a rememberance the bringing of two loaves in the Beis Hamikdash. In other words, one will eat dairy, which now makes the bread unusable for a fleishig meal (din in Shulchan Aruch), then bentsch/wait/wash, eat fleishigs now with the other challah. Therefore milchigs is really at least outwardly just to remind one to eat both loaves of bread.
Again there are other reasons, but the most “codified” is worthy to take note.
DQBMay 18, 2011 3:23 am at 3:23 am #770078
How did this thread end all the way down here?May 18, 2011 3:24 am at 3:24 am #770079
Ramateshkolian , I think I may agree with you and does anyone else have any information similar to what was said by Rav Berkowitz???May 18, 2011 4:12 am at 4:12 am #770080
Ramateshkolian , I think I may agree with you and does anyone else have any information similar to what was said by Rav Berkowitz???
Let’s assume that R’ Berkowitz said that milk represents the Torah, so the rule which applies to other Yomim Tovim doesn’t apply to Shavuos. Now, if anyone goes according to the simple understanding, that Shavuos is the same as other Yomim Tovim, it’s “totally based on nothing”?
Anyone who doesn’t follow this little known opinion which deviates from simple understanding (although I’m not c”v belittling it or R’ Berkowitz) must definitely be motivated by sinister motives (trying to do the “frummer” thing, meaning ga’avah)?
Sorry, I most definitely disagree.May 25, 2011 4:38 am at 4:38 am #770081ursula momishMember
You know why there are only pareve and fleishik korbanos? Because the men couldn’t be trusted to maintain two separate mizbeyachs. (mizbeychos?)
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