May 24, 2020 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1864208commonsaychelParticipant
@1 1918 the average life expectancy was 36, top speed of a car was 82, and there was not commercial flights.
Therefore………………..May 24, 2020 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1864229MilhouseParticipant
The Defense Production Act authorizes the president to ensure that scarce and critical materials necessary to the national defense effort are available for defense needs. The armed forces and workers in defense industries need to eat, so the food supply is a critical part of the national defense. Religious establishments are not, and the president can’t order them open or closed.May 24, 2020 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1864244JosephParticipant
That sounds like a very reasonable point, Milhouse.
But what if the President disagrees with you and acts accordingly by invoking that law in the manner I suggested?May 24, 2020 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #1864246ForshayerParticipant
@Common, Ohr Chaim is in my backyard. They opened on Thursday for Mincha and Maariv and on Friday for Shacharis. However they were closed on Shabbos. You can go on and on about how they were open, but I am telling you that they were not.
The few neighbors of mine that went there to try it out today were upset about the lack of masks on the mispallelim and asked me if I am still open in front of my house. The minyanim are starting, but they are not anywhere near what they used to be.May 24, 2020 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #1864276
In 2018 very few people talked about epidemics. Or recession.May 24, 2020 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1864287
If this helps you, then my pleasure. A bunch of yeshivos. A lot of connections with various Rabbeim. No steady crowd. An effort to talk to everybody. Especially those with nobody to talk to. Still learning. No formal setting.
I notice a big disconnect between teenagers and adults. [Wow what a shocker.] Yet, adults ask of the youth to cooperate (or sacrifice) for ideas that your average yeshiva bachur would be skeptical too. Well, adults are adults and they have the right. But they have to realize that there could be a disconnect. And, then the youth withdraw, or feel forced into something they do not relate too. Then, the bachur is blamed for slacking off or not caring, when he is just confused.
If one’s biggest concern is where to find a minyan, he should consider himself blessed. I question where is the impetus to help our fellow Jew. One father passing away gets a whole response. But dozens do not?May 25, 2020 8:54 am at 8:54 am #1864344commonsaychelParticipant
One of the people who davened in our INDOOR regular shul minyan this shabbos was a 94 year old man who walks to shul everyday with a walker, this Shabbos was the first time he davened in a shul since corona, when people asked him why he came he said, I survived Kristallnacht, Kinder transport, other wars, 9/11 and I am an old man I will die of something eventually, so if I go down at least I will go down davening with a minyan.May 25, 2020 11:40 am at 11:40 am #1864447
There is a sweetness to this one, but we discussed this about the ill fasting on Yom Kippur. What is different here, (I call someone that age daily.) is that when they were young, the world was in turmoil. (the Great Depression & WWII) Then, was 40 years of national uncertainty, with the fear of atomic war etc. The last three decades were ideal for retirees to enjoy what they worked at their entire life. Now, that there is global tragedy and national conflict again, they see it, as it is not their world anymore. [In a comforting way.]May 25, 2020 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1864471🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
No- yes, thank you. It helps very much and I greatly appreciate it. I will respectfully temper my frustrations when I respond. There is a difference between some here who are just averse to yeshivish ways and others who have been burnt by them.May 25, 2020 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #1864476🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
“If one’s biggest concern is where to find a minyan, he should consider himself blessed. I question where is the impetus to help our fellow Jew. One father passing away gets a whole response. But dozens do not?”
Regarding this stuff, on the other thread i said you keep hanging on to it without reason. Here’s an example. Nobody here ever said that davening with a minyan was their only probkem or most important. Nobody belittled our losses. You are offended (and seemingly greatly so) by something that may not be happening.
Aside- many outside of New York were blessed by much less to no losses and a much smaller scale crises (in terms of physicality) so they have no idea what it looked like a few blocks away or across the country. I saw too many death notices posted but it was a tiny fraction of what you and GH are saying actually occurred. I don’t read the newspapers and didnt experience the hundreds of hatzalah sirens blaring daily. What is blatantly obvious to you is not even known to some of us, and you have to understand people’s opinions and feelings with that perspective. I was horrified about the two dozen(?) Loses profiled on the news sites. I had no way of knowing there were actually hundreds.May 27, 2020 11:28 am at 11:28 am #1865362A Yid 2.0Participant
@commonsaychel yes I did attempt to attend. My son & I counted twice, then promptly walked home in shock. Whereupon my wife was in shock that I was in shock.May 27, 2020 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1865459
Nothing happened. Rather something is not happening. Religious leadership. End of story.
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