Mirror, mirror on the wall. Who is the frummest of them all?

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    Avi K
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    Should someone who does not open bottles on Shabbat drink the wine of someone who does? What about someone who goes according to Rabbenu Tam and the Mechaber vs. someone who goes according to the Gra? What about bishul akum?

    #1549005

    👑RebYidd23
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    Depends on the kind of bottle.

    #1549011

    ChadGadya
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    Don’t you know it is forbidden to look into a mirror!?
    It’s Lo Tilbash!

    #1549036

    Takes2-2tango
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    For those who hold its assur for women to drive , is it ok to take a ride from a women driver or is it better to get the ride from a male driver?

    #1549138

    laskern
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    I think, if these are your chumras not halachas, you are allowed to accept them from someone else who doesn’t follow it provided the chumra is on the action but not the result of the action.

    #1549144

    Takes2-2tango
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    askernParticipant
    I think, if these are your chumras not halachas, you are allowed to accept them from someone else who doesn’t follow it provided the chumra is on the action but not the result of the action.
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    Example please

    #1549149

    yitzchokm
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    Take two

    Your example fits perfectly.
    “you are allowed to accept” the car ride “from someone else who doesn’t follow it” the female driver “provided the chumra is on the action” female driving “but not the result of the action” getting to your destination.

    #1549156

    The little I know
    Participant

    Title here is a big problem. It is a parody of the Snow White fairy tale, in which the magic mirror would respond to the question, “Mirror, Mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?” Forgetting about the magical thinking stuff that energizes fairy tales, but mirrors do reflect one’s appearance, and can thus “have an opinion” about who is the fairest of all. But “frum” has zero to do with appearance. The latter matter is an obsession that is common in our generation, where someone’s Jewishness is determined by a boy wearing a white (not colored) shirt, and other similar stupidities. The focus on appearance completely ignores the need for someone to connect emotionally and mentally with HKB”H, and uses judgment of these nonsensical trivia to judge people. And this risks leaving kids in the street without yeshivos and schools, not giving aliyos to mispallelim, and other forms of rejection that are clearly anti-Torah. We are all בנים למקום. We would not throw our own children away. We would fight tooth and nail if someone grabbed any of our children to discard. But we somehow have clear consciences about using meaningless and irrelevant criteria to reject HKB”H’s children. We have a huge problem, and I suspect that our golus requires us to fix this if we want to merit a geula.

    So if your mirror could speak, and it spoke of frummer, break it.

    #1549164

    laskern
    Participant

    If we say opening the bottle is a chumra than drinking the wine would be the result of the action.

    #1549196

    Uncle Ben
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    Obviously the OP is just trying to mock those who he imagines are frummer than him. Nonetheless a legitimate topic has been raised. The halacha that I’ve heard is that one cannot ask someone to do something that he/she holds is assur for him/her to do at that time. Benefiting from that action according to the Biur Halacha in Hilchos Shabbos who is discussing where a bona fide melacha was done is only mutar when the melacha did not transform the item into a usable condition, such as Hotza’ah.

    #1549208

    CTRebbe
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    To” little that I know”- I think you are misunderstanding the correct meaning of the word “frumkeit”. Similiar to the word “Yeshivishe” it is totally unrelated to a person’s connection to HKB”H. The terms themselves really relate to superficialities and are not meant to be a judgment of one’s true self-worth (although as you point out many people do make that mistake. ) R. Volbe has a whole chapter in Alei Shur in which he discusses this. We can very much be a judge of how frum or yeshivishe a person is. Only Hashem knows how good of a Jew a person is.

    #1549210

    Avi K
    Participant

    1. See Rambam Hilchot Deot 5:9 regarding the importance of appearance.

    2. See Rema YD 156:2 regarding men looking into mirrors.

    3. So if someone thinks that the Halacha is like the stringent view should not drink the wine of those who follow lenient poskim?

    #1549218

    Avi K
    Participant

    Ben, no I was mocking those who think they are.

    Mod, I very much resent having to “prove my humanity” and then having to log in again.

    #1549259

    The little I know
    Participant

    CTRebbe:

    There is a quote in the name of the Ropschitzer Rebbe.

    פרום מאכט פיהל רשעות ווייניג מצוות.

    The simple rishei taivos of FRUM – Fihl Rishus Veinig Mitzvos. Translated – Much evil, few mitzvos.

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