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Which magazine do you like better? Mishpacha or AMI??
AMI!!!!!!!! It’s the best!
i read the mishpachah every week. though i feel mishpachah magazine used to have awesome articals week after week when it first came out. now it is good but not great.
tzaddiq -“now it is good but not great.”
How could you call something good when they just had an article promoting Alcoholism? And these people who support these mags think that the Internet is the only thing where you are being exposed to bad things. Why isn’t there an Asifa against Alcoholism & the mags that promote it? I know they would never have an Asifa against smoking – that they could never do -it wouldn’t be PC!
I think we should start a revolution: Lets have happier articles and stories. I read both but feel we need a “happier” read. Why are the stories so serious and sad? Life is so difficult any way we need articles to bring a smile to our faces.
I think every one knows theres no more comparison, Ami looked promising but couldnt sustain it. Mishpacha somehow manages to deliver, week after week.
I stopped buying Ami and now go with just Mishpacha.
Health – funny you mention that piece. I had a whole, long discussion on that article with my wife last Shabbos. It WAS an eye-opener, and I didn’t necessarily agree to that article, nevertheless it was a GOOD read, and I DID hear the other sides’ claim. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it was PROMOTING alcoholism. However, it wasn’t great, especially compared to the INCREDIBLE articles that they USED TO have week after week.
Be Happy – that’s why i read mishpachah junior! 😉
Health- it was not PROMOTING alcoholism. It was simply giving us a glimpse from a yeshiva bochur’s perspective and view on their drinking habits. i personally didn’t AGREE to his assessment, but i feel it was written in a fair and understandable approach. but i wouldn’t call it an article promoting it. i would perhaps call it ‘debunking the myth that yeshiva boys are drunks’
the article did not promote alcoholism, however, left unanswered (and unasked) was exactly what pressure these bachurim feel they are under that they have this need to “chill” as the bachur put it. they have no financial, social or personal obligations to anyone. all that is asked from them is that they act like a mench, attend davening, shiurim and sedarim. if that is too pressure packed, perhaps the bachurim are in the wrong yeshiva or worse, the wrong venue (yes, I am making a leading statement).
Mishpacha all the way!!!
However, I do think that they should run TeenPages differently. It’s going in the wrong direction. (But I’m the only one who would care around here, and even I don’t so much.)
The article actually had three or four responses in the back refuting what the boy in the article said. It did not promote alcoholism in the least— in fact, my sense is that it made the interviewed boy seem somewhat ridiculous.
I think that Mishpacha had great articles at the beginning, but after a while you run out of people to interview.
tzaddiq -“Health- it was not PROMOTING alcoholism.”
You and for some reason the other posters can’t admit the truth. Most of you say you didn’t agree with it. Fine.
I personally didn’t read the article, but gleaned my info from a topic here in the CR.
I’m under the impression, correct me if I’m wrong, that no opposing article was published in the mag.
If a mag presents only one opinion – yes – that means they agree with that opinion.
An article defending people who have an alcohol problem and saying it’s not so bad is indeed PROMOTING ALCOHOLISM!
TO POSEK:
I disagree, I think AMI did sustain and I think that they already far surpassed Mishpacha. They have many more columns, and more interesting columns.
Health — Maybe read the article before commenting, and you will see you are completely off the mark. The first section was based on an interview with a yeshiva bochur defending occasional drinking by yeshiva guys. It ends like this
“How can we help Moish and his friends reevaluate their attitudes? How can we guide future generations of bochurim to avoid using alcohol as “just another outlet?” We asked a panel with experience and expertise to weigh in on Moish’s outlet. Here’s what they had to say.”
It is then followed by FOUR articles explaining why alcohol is NOT a legitimate outlet, including a great response from Rabbi Dr. Twerski, certainly not someone who can be accused of promoting alcoholism!! So your premise that the magazine did not publish an opposing article is true — they published four opposing articles!! I actually thought this was a much better way to discourage drinking then the usual stereotypical examples of alcoholics. In fact one point Rabbi Dr. Twerski makes in the magazine is that alcohol abuse is a problem by itself, even if is not a full fledged addiction, and states that even if these boys are not “alcoholics”, if they are “getting high” it is alcohol abuse and a problem.
“I personally didn’t read the article, but gleaned my info from a topic here in the CR.”
Ouch.
mully -“Health — Maybe read the article before commenting, and you will see you are completely off the mark.”
I said clearly in my post -I was stating my opinion based on what I read here in the CR.
“I’m under the impression, correct me if I’m wrong, that no opposing article was published in the mag.”
I’m very happy that they are against drinking -which they should be.
Maybe they can do the same thing with smoking?
Mully -Do you think they have the guts?
Health- You did not say that you did not read the article in your first post. You only stated that later after everyone was bashing you. This is how Lashon Hara starts. You tried sspreading Laz about Mishpacha based purely on secondhand information. Please do not do this in the future.
They are making an Asifa against internet because that is becoming a major destruction to Klal Yisrael in both terms of gashmiyus and ruchniyus. Many people still do not believe it is that bad to have internet and are not convinced that it will be damaging to them. It could damage anyone, even the guy who learns the most and has the best middos.
The other things you mentioned are definitely a problem, but are not as bad. Most people understand that drinking and smoking are bad. The majority of Jews have internet, and I believe only a minority smoke or have drinking problems. Anyway, maybe they will do something major like an Asifa about the other problems if they see that this will work. You cannot work on everything at once. One thing at a time. If they would’ve picked alcoholism then you would have got upset that they weren’t doing smoking or the internet. Just understand that the Gedolim are doing their best to combat this menuvaldika American society as best as they can.
Kind Kalman -“Health- You did not say that you did not read the article in your first post. You only stated that later after everyone was bashing you. This is how Lashon Hara starts. You tried sspreading Laz about Mishpacha based purely on secondhand information. Please do not do this in the future.”
How about refraining from being Motzay Laz on me? Instead of Kind Kalman -how about Kindly Kalman -like Kindly refrain? I’ll post my first comment now:
“How could you call something good when they just had an article promoting Alcoholism?”
This question was answered and refuted.
“They are making an Asifa against internet because that is becoming a major destruction to Klal Yisrael in both terms of gashmiyus and ruchniyus. Many people still do not believe it is that bad to have internet and are not convinced that it will be damaging to them. It could damage anyone, even the guy who learns the most and has the best middos.”
Ok.
“The other things you mentioned are definitely a problem, but are not as bad.”
And why not? Everytime you go on the Net you are Oiver an Issur – obviously acc. to you – you are also Oiver an Issur everytime you light up or drink -not for a Mtzva.
“Most people understand that drinking and smoking are bad.”
Really – not the impression I get? Most Yeshivos will throw out if you have the Net, but not if you smoke or drink.
“The majority of Jews have internet, and I believe only a minority smoke or have drinking problems.”
Any Statistics to back this up? I’m assuming when you write Jews you mean Frum ones.
“Anyway, maybe they will do something major like an Asifa about the other problems if they see that this will work. You cannot work on everything at once. One thing at a time. If they would’ve picked alcoholism then you would have got upset that they weren’t doing smoking or the internet. Just understand that the Gedolim are doing their best to combat this menuvaldika American society as best as they can.”
From previous:
“And these people who support these mags think that the Internet is the only thing where you are being exposed to bad things. Why isn’t there an Asifa against Alcoholism & the mags that promote it? I know they would never have an Asifa against smoking – that they could never do -it wouldn’t be PC!”
Stop with they would do it but they have to pick something first because smoking has been around a lot longer than any internet and if they wanted to make an Asifa – they had ample opportunity way beforehand.
When Ami had an editorial opinion from Ben Brafman telling us how great the Shalit deal was, that was the end of the line for me. All the gedolei Poskim that I read about, said the deal was not al pi halochah and Ami prints the editorial of Brafman?
And then when they had the cover with nazi flags hanging from the White House? Also, over the line for me.
I’ll never read that rag again.
In terms of being motzi laz on you, the statement you brought was exactly my point.
“How could you call something good when they just had an article promoting Alcoholism?”
You are telling people how can they call the magazine good if they promoting Alcoholism when in reality the magazine never did. You never read the article so did not realize this.
“And why not? Everytime you go on the Net you are Oiver an Issur – obviously acc. to you – you are also Oiver an Issur everytime you light up or drink -not for a Mtzva.”
Gedolim say that when you are on the internet alone it’s a Yichud problem. People are looking at innapropriate pictures, marriages are broken, it has led to eishes eish problems, people go off the derech, gambling, and many other problems which I would not like to write out. It could lead to very severe issurim which are much greater than smoking and drinking. Every single Yid is immune to this.
You can drink once in a while and it is not a problem. If done in the right way with the right amount it is fine and could even be beneficial to you. I do not believe you are oiver anything if you drink not for a Mitzvah (unless you take it to far), but I may be wrong. A lot of the drinking problems come anyway because it was started for a Mitzvah. Usually the problems are started at weddings (which guys do because they want to be mesameach the chosson and kallah more but gets taken to far), shalom zachors (which is probably not a Mitzvah to drink at but for some reason as become a “minhag” and I would agree with you should be stopped), Purim (Yes, if done properly is a Mitzvah), etc.
Smoking, yes, is probably an issur of ushemardem ul es nafshoshechem, but again I do not believe it is as bad an issur as arayos, etc.
“Really – not the impression I get? Most Yeshivos will throw out if you have the Net, but not if you smoke or drink.”
I actually do not believe that is the case. Most Yeshivos will not throw you out because of internet. More Yeshivos I think will throw you out for smoking then internet. Many bochrim have smartphones, blackberrys, etc. which all have internet and they are still in Yeshiva.
“Any Statistics to back this up? I’m assuming when you write Jews you mean Frum ones.”
No, I do not have statistics but I think anyone will tell you that. Most people have internet either at home, on their phone, work, etc. The ones with drinking and smoking problems are mainly Yeshiva bochrim. And yes, I mean frum Jews.
“And these people who support these mags think that the Internet is the only thing where you are being exposed to bad things. Why isn’t there an Asifa against Alcoholism & the mags that promote it? I know they would never have an Asifa against smoking – that they could never do -it wouldn’t be PC!”
I just didn”t get why you are speaking about the magazines when you refer to the Asifah. They are just promoting what the Gedolim said. The person behind the Asifah was someone named R’ Matisyahu Salamon not any editor of a magazine. If you have a problem then speak to him or the other Gedolim.
“Stop with they would do it but they have to pick something first because smoking has been around a lot longer than any internet and if they wanted to make an Asifa – they had ample opportunity way beforehand.”
Maybe R’ Matisyahu Salamon or someone else didn’t think of the idea until now? Once they thought of it, they decided to pick the problem that is affecting the entire Jewish community as oppossed to something that mainly targets bochrim.
The internet is also something that is a very tricky area because people need it for numerous things and the world runs by the it nowadays. Smoking and drinking no one needs. As many times as you tell guys to stop and no matter what way you do it, the people who don’t want to listen will not. Many people will listen to putting on a filter if they realize the damage it could do to them without sacrificing the good things that the internet provides them with.
I am totally in love with the Ami. As a woman the Ami living is amazing with thought provoking articles and excellent recipes. They really do a top notch job. My kids adore the aim section as well.
This week Ami magazine had an article about schizophrenia, the part about the person thinking they were dead with bugs crawling all over them was shocking.
Kind Kalman -I tried to answer you, but some Mods who will be unemployed (not me) after the Asfia didn’t let it through.
AMI!!!!!!!! totally! much more real. dealing with real ppl. real issues and real feelings. not everything is fluff and happily ever afters.
i do agree with be happy. they can provide happier storys that are more real and more emotional.
Health- I believe you. Now we can just be friends.
Kind Kalman -“Health- I believe you. Now we can just be friends.”
I’ll answer your first post generically -so it should make it through.
I’m not against an Asifa against the Net per se. I just don’t want anybody to get the impression that there is nothing else wrong in the Frum community. There are worse things and not only worse things, but there are also other bad things. We have to work on everything to be please Hashem. I don’t like tunnel vision!
Yatzmich: I heard that R’ Ovadia Yosef approved the deal.
Health- I definitely hear where you are coming from and your point. They definitely should do more things about smoking etc. They are spending $3 million on trying to solve one issue in the frum community when that money could be put to much better and more uses. A nice amount of that money is probably being spent on just security for the Asifa alone.
Kind Kalman – My concern is about very bad things, not on the level of smoking, but much worse.
I’d gladly list them, but it wouldn’t make it through the moderation.
NONE, not gonna say much but sometimes things are not that gr8 hashkafa wise. just my opinion
Mishpacha. I stopped buying Ami with the White House cover with Nazi flags also.
I did read the article about the yeshiva bochur defending his drinking habits, and it was shocking. I think that was the point! It should be an eye opener to anyone who thinks drinking isn’t a problem and/or can’t become one.
I believe Ami publishes Rav Avi Shafran’s column, so that’s what I read.
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