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March 2, 2012 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #602336popa_bar_abbaParticipant
So I wanted to give matanos l’evyonim. And I wanted to do it online or over the phone. So I went to kupat hair’s website, and then called them.
Why kupat hair? Why not. Brand name recognition.
So I called and gave them my credit card number, and told them to charge up some money.
So then they asked if I wanted to submit a name for a bracha.
I said no.
March 2, 2012 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #857493squeakParticipantToo bad. You could have requested R’ Elyashiv and then given R’ Elyashiv’s name.
March 2, 2012 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #857494ZeesKiteParticipantIt could be, maybe, there’s nothing wrong with getting a Brocha at the time of giving tzedakah.
I’m not anyone to be addressing the great Posek Coffeeainu, but maybe could be where the gemarah (I use The Illustrated, Little Gemarah Says) says ??? ?? ???? ????, indicating that it’s permissible, means even commendable.
March 2, 2012 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #857495yungerman1ParticipantSo I wanted to give matanos l’evyonim. And I wanted to do it online or over the phone. So I went to vaad harabbonim’s website, and then called them.
Why vaad harabbonim? Why not. Brand name recognition.
So I called and gave them my credit card number, and told them to charge up some money.
So then they asked if I wanted to submit a name for a bracha.
I said yes.
When they asked for the name I said….
Popa bar Abba
March 2, 2012 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #857496LogicianParticipantCorrection.
“Why kupat hair?” – so you could do the above, and feel geshmak.
(no offense meant – I did “chapp” hana’ah)
March 2, 2012 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #857497popa_bar_abbaParticipantyungerman: nice
zeeskite: I don’t think there is anything wrong with giving tzedaka to get a bracha.
March 2, 2012 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #857500avhabenParticipantR’ Matisyahu strongly praised both kupat and the vaad.
March 2, 2012 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #857502☕️coffee addictParticipantFeif,
are you picking and choosing what to follow?
(In other words you’re still on the internet and he blasted that)
March 2, 2012 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #857504avhabenParticipantPeople here listen to Rav Chaim Kanievskly, a strong proponent of kupat.
March 4, 2012 3:32 am at 3:32 am #857506LogicianParticipantZK – and the reason given is because a Yid won’t regret it if his request is not fulfilled. Meaning he understands that he does not have the ability to force G-d’s hand, and therefore is giving whole-heartedly in any event,
1)while many people donate to these places expecting a yeshuah, as evidenced by those who complain afterwards (including in other YWN CR threads) that it didn’t work for them.
2)and these places barely stop short of promising that it will work for you.
March 4, 2012 3:40 am at 3:40 am #857507oomisParticipantVery many people give a bracha when someone gives them tzedaka. I say that we can never tell which bracha from which person will be the one Hashem most accepts on our behalf. Never pass up the chance to receive a bracha from someone. JMO.
March 4, 2012 4:10 am at 4:10 am #857508Nisht Ahe Nisht AherMemberYou sound bored and thats why you started this thread!!
March 4, 2012 6:19 am at 6:19 am #857509skiaddictMemberI donated money over the fone, in a zechus and it worked for me.
March 4, 2012 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #857510LogicianParticipantI needed a zchus one day, I ate cheerios ,and I got one. Causation proved.
March 4, 2012 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #857511chocandpatienceMemberpopa: unsafe if you intend relying on that telephone donation for your chiyuv of matanos l’evyonim
March 4, 2012 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #857512popa_bar_abbaParticipantchoc: why?
March 4, 2012 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #857513writersoulParticipantIsn’t matanos le’evyonim supposed to be given on Purim itself?
March 5, 2012 4:33 am at 4:33 am #857514YW Moderator-42ModeratorThey have to give the money on Purim itself. I assume if u called them and they said they are doing that then you are good. Choc probably is choshesh that they won’t so it is just tzedaka but not fulfilling the chiyuv of matanos levyonim.
March 5, 2012 4:33 am at 4:33 am #857515YW Moderator-42ModeratorThey have to give the money on Purim itself. I assume if u called them and they said they are doing that then you are good. Choc probably is choshesh that they won’t so it is just tzedaka but not fulfilling the chiyuv of matanos levyonim.
March 5, 2012 6:31 am at 6:31 am #857516yitayningwutParticipantI just got a mad craving for Cheerios, so I ate two bowls.
March 5, 2012 9:12 am at 9:12 am #857517chocandpatienceMember42: Correct.
More reliable to use your LGT (local gabbe tzedaka)
About the ??? ?? ???? ???? point made above. I have heard that the Chofetz Chaim says that the gemara was abbreviated to ?”? which was *incorrectly* expanded to ???? ????. It should read ???? ????? – meaning that there is no deficiency in the *mitzva of tzedaka*. There may very well be a deficiency in the person giving for having such intentions. I’ll try and find the source.
In any case, this gemara doesn’t apply here since it is a chiyuv of matonas l’evyonim, not a general mitva of tzedaka.
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