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“…the most capable minds in klal yisroel become lawyers, accountants, and whatnots instead of learning full time, and only bench warmers stay to warm the benches.”
I don’t imagine that anyone on YWN would say that the above quote is completely true as written. But does it have truth to it at all? If so, why, and what can be done about it?
find the ones who are merely benchwarmers jobs they can do
“I don’t imagine that anyone on YWN would say that”.
I mean, it loses some of its best and some of its worst and some in the middle along a normal distribution. I don’t get the impression that it is more the “best minds” who are leaving yeshiva than staying.
Obviously the mommies. While the men are busy getting the world screwed up, someone has to keep the kids on track of we become extinct.
I actually think the smart guys leave because they think hey Im smart I can be a Dr. Lawyer whatever….nd make big bucks and live well.
And I hear the smart girls are getting Master’s and PhD’s instead of becoming Chumash teachers. Equally untrue. I love Chumash and it is not a contradiction to secular knowledge and being practical.
There is nothing wrong with a man who works hard making set times for learning and making realistic plans for a parnasa because he wants to be responsible and support a family in a Torah lifestyle. In my opinion that’s great. If he is leaving only for kavod then he probably wasn’t learning lishma in the first place.
Most of us would not use such as doctors or dentists with the schooling some of these young women are getting to get their Master’s, such as in the education field and social worker areas especially! Many young men would love to go to work rather than warm benches but the young women are proud to say their husband are in kollel, with many of them being oblivious to what too many of these so called bench warmers are really doing all day.
The point is that if the most capable ones stayed in learning it would embarrass the bench warmers out of there. So they go, leaving the ones who dont make anyone feel inadequate.
Of course some of the bright minds become lawyers, doctors etc. They were brought up in a home where the values were hard work and a comfortable lifestyle.
Some of our bright minds become Roshei Yeshiva and klei kodesh b/c that’s what their values are.
What to do about it? We need to teach our children the value of torah and of being a one of Hashem’s emissaries to disseminate it. Think about what a zechus it is to have such a child!
From my experience, in general, the very brightest minds (of those who have zitzfleish) do stay in Klei Kodeish. However those a little less than the very best feel they are too smart to teach elementary school and if they aren’t going to be a rosh yeshivah or rosh kollel they may as well not take tuition breaks and become lawyers, doctors, entrepreneurs etc.
The reality is that there are very few Rosh Yeshiva/Rosh Kollel positions and fewer still where you don’t need to have a close family connection.
Would you rather visit a Frum Doctor or an Indian Doctor?
If all the best minds go into learning, there wont be anyone going into medicine. So there wont be any frum doctors and you will be forced to see the indian doctor who did go to Med School
zahavasdad
And most Indian doctors are excellent so whats your point? I see no need or preference in seeing a “frum” doctor. I go to whomever comes recommended regardless of his color or creed.
I prefer frum doctors personally. I think Jewish doctors are in general better doctors. But that is not the point of this topic, so whatever.
Having been in yeshivos for many years including yeshivos that allow college I would definitely say that the vast majority of bright boys opt for staying in learning. The ones who leave are the ones who can’t sit.
The ones who are bright but can’t sit are exactly the ones that should become doctors, lawyer, etc.
To become a serious talmid chochom you need both your top and your bottom working.
VM -Your premise is wrong to a certain extent. Obviously there are always Ledegayers who don’t want to work and sit in a Yeshiva and do nothing, but I think this is a small amount of people there. They don’t have much influence on the Yeshiva in general.
What you don’t understand is that R’ Aharon Kotler zt’l brought the concept of learning Lishma to the US. So now we have very capable & bright minds learning all day without becoming Rosh Hayeshivos, Rosh Kollelim or Rebbeyim. This is a purpose in of itself. I think people leaving Yeshivos nowadays has more to do with not making ends meet, than with Zitsfleish. So a lot of these people without s/o to support them are intelligent and find fields that they would be good in.
Veltz mezhuggener
That’s why most lawyers are in gehinnom for longer than other people sometimes over 100 years. They punish them according to the amount of hours they billed lol.
WIY – How do you know when a lawyer (Liar Bla’z) is lying?
When his lips are moving! (:p
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