December 12, 2022 10:46 am at 10:46 am #2146839
Why do I ask this for many threads?
Because I read the stuff in the CR and I ask myself “THIS is what people are arguing about???”. Like seriously, there’s nothing better to do than to waste your time bashing Chabad. Or wondering if a certain sefer is pastnisht. Or if Eretz Yisroel is good/bad. Or socks for bochurs. Like seriously, you’re spending your time talking about socks??
What’s more, a lot of the people here appear to be quite learned, and I ask myself “isn”t this a major Bittul Torah?”
Now if you tell me, “Hey YO, we are on this CR just to decompress and engage in some banter”, then fine I get it. We all need a little release. But all the insults, the put-downs, the Loshon hora, the judging. It’s not proper at all.December 12, 2022 11:01 am at 11:01 am #2146842🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Wouldn’t it make more sense for that to be the reason if you weren’t engaging in that exact behavior?
I mean if Froggie came on and said that, it would make sense. But to claim you write that for the reasons above doesn’t really hold water.December 12, 2022 11:09 am at 11:09 am #2146843pekakParticipant
YO, you’re the biggest troll in the CR. You’re constantly opening new theeads which usually warrant strong responses.December 12, 2022 11:16 am at 11:16 am #2146849
“Wouldn’t it make more sense for that to be the reason if you weren’t engaging in that exact behavior?”
Either way, hold water or not, that’s really my belief.December 12, 2022 11:17 am at 11:17 am #2146853🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
explain?December 12, 2022 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #2146874LostsparkParticipant
Enlighten us, what are the biggest issues for yidden in 2022?December 12, 2022 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #2146871Little FroggieParticipant
Anything I say makes sense?!?December 12, 2022 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #2146867HaLeiViParticipant
It’s a very clichéd response, often spouted as a knee-jerk reaction to something you aren’t personally in the mood of discussing at the moment.
Any disagreement can evoke emotions, whether or not it’s the biggest issue.
Also, this is often used to degrade the importance of what is “merely” a Mitzva but doesn’t make anyone rich. Whether or not you use it in such instances, just realize whom your audience is associating your position with.December 12, 2022 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #2146863smerelParticipant
>>>Because I read the stuff in the CR and I ask myself “THIS is what people are arguing about???”.
If that’s the way you feel don’t read the CR at all. I don’t disagree that not everything in the CR should be read or said but when I sense that a thread is going to devolve into serious aveiras (usually leitznos not Loshon Horah I stay off it. ) K’shem S’Mitzvha lomor dovor hanishma kach mitzva shlo lomor dovor h’aino nishma. No one here is interested in musser from me or you.
>>>Like seriously, there’s nothing better to do than to waste your time bashing Chabad.
You can take that complaint to many Gedoley Olam. Including your namesake Rav Ovadia Yosef who also strongly criticized certain aspects of Chabad.
>>>Or wondering if a certain sefer is pastnisht.
That is the type of thread I didn’t open because I’m confident that not all the comments approached the issue with proper seriousness but I’m confident the issue wasn’t “pastnisht” As above some of those who signed against it are Gedoley Olam. Your comment is seriously belittling them and inviting Loshon Horah and motzey shem ra
>>> But all the insults, the put-downs, the Loshon hora, the judging.
This reminds me of the expression “If only the ears could hear what the mouth is saying” . Your OP is not full insults, put-downs, and judging???December 12, 2022 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #2146855ujmParticipant
Yo, is this a Christian thread?
repairedDecember 12, 2022 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #2146891
I am not claiming to be clean from any of the issues I mentioned. But it got me thinking about just how much time and effort people put into things that are trivial. And as soon as someone disagrees with a point of view, the go-to reaction is to insult them. Rather than saying I disagree with you because of a, b, c, instead the go-to is “you’re Reform, you’re open orthodox, you’re liberal….”
Also it perplexes me how some people, who I believe are genuinely very learned, spend sooooo much time here.December 12, 2022 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm #2146912
I am not* claimingDecember 12, 2022 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #2146903
The most important issue of 2022 is why a guy Ashkenazi from Lakewood pretends to be a Sephardi.December 12, 2022 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #2146941
“The most important issue of 2022 is why a guy Ashkenazi from Lakewood pretends to be a Sephardi.”
As you see, more put downs. Not that being Sephardi is a bad thing. But CS’s intention was to insult.December 12, 2022 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #2146943ubiquitinParticipant
1) You open with “Why do I ask this [Most Important Issue of 2022] for many threads?”
This question is not smart, you ask it alot even though it has been pointed out to you that the question isnt smart.
IF you choose to ask it again and again you should expect put downs
2) “the Loshon hora, the judging.”
You are pretty bad at this. For example on the kashrus thread you lied and claimed “50% of the decisions, operations and Hashkafa of most hashgachas have nothing to do with Halacha.”
when you were called out on your lie you backed it up with two claims, one which wasn’t against halacha, and another which isn’t true. when this was pointed out you ignored itDecember 12, 2022 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #2146975
its the PRETENDS that annoys us, I could not care less about the rest.December 12, 2022 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #2146976
Doesn’t negate the question I posted on this thread. It’s a valid point. You guys can keep trying to explain why YO doesn’t have the right to bring up this point. But the issue still exists. You’re basically saying that you’d rather prove why YO is wrong than to examine why the CR has faults.December 12, 2022 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #2146989Reb EliezerParticipant
Live and let live.December 12, 2022 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #2147036
You’re basically saying that you’d rather prove why YO is wrong, No I would prefer YO stop being a trollDecember 12, 2022 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #2147040Avram in MDParticipant
“I am claiming to be clean from any of the issues I mentioned.”
I think you are getting a strong reaction because your OP is coming across as hypocritical. “Hallel with Bracha on YH” and “Is Arabic Holy?” are examples of threads you opened seemingly with no purpose but to start flame wars. Other threads such as “Ashkenazic trauma” seemingly have little point other than to insult swaths of Jews. On what basis do you claim to be “clean” of these issues?
“But it got me thinking about just how much time and effort people put into things that are trivial.”
Why do you appoint yourself the arbiter of what is trivial and what is not? So what if people want to discuss socks? Socks are ubiquitous and are one of the more important comfort-related aspects of what we wear. If you have a child with sensory sensitivities, you’ll find that socks can bring on the biggest meltdowns. And that thread wasn’t even really about socks. If a thread topic doesn’t interest you or the conversation doesn’t seem productive or nice, skip it!
“And as soon as someone disagrees with a point of view, the go-to reaction is to insult them. Rather than saying I disagree with you because of a, b, c, instead the go-to is “you’re Reform, you’re open orthodox, you’re liberal….””
I agree and it’s unfortunate. I personally try to avoid labeling and insulting, and stick to the points of debate, and I hope that I’m successful most of the time. But is responding with condescension towards the entire CR really the best way to improve the discourse?December 12, 2022 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #2147088
I corrected my typo and said I’m not clean….
I’ll fix it for youDecember 13, 2022 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #2147260Yserbius123Participant
If I wouldn’t be wasting time arguing on here, I would be wasting time arguing on Yenner Website.
This is my way to blow off steam during work. I don’t think of it as a waste of time, unless I find myself spending more than just a few minutes a day.December 13, 2022 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #2147287n0mesorahParticipant
“But it got me thinking…”
Keep it up! At the least keep thinking until you have your own perspective of these topics. Than you can post your actual opinion, instead of a question to us so you can harp on a phrase or two.December 13, 2022 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #2147390
Most Important issue of 2022 what type of latke is bestDecember 13, 2022 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #2147433☕️coffee addictParticipant
I thought the most important issue was mishpacha’s Sukkos issue 🤪December 26, 2022 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #2151629☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Apparently the most important issue of 2022 is why people like to discuss certain topics on the CR.
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