March 22, 2021 8:32 am at 8:32 am #1959438
Rav leizer Ginsberg put out a warning that if you have a plastic seal that is peeling from on top of your retzuah then it is passul! Although the eidah and most sofrimsay that it isn’t a problem, rav Shmuel kamenetsky rav Yisroel Reimsman and rav Sholom Miller say that it must be replaced! In fact rav Dovid Feinstein also didn’t like it!March 22, 2021 10:00 am at 10:00 am #1959516
My Rav emeritus (R Yaakov Reisman) has been talking about this for YEARS and you’re just hearing about it now?
Just FYI it’s kosher bdieved if it’s black on blackMarch 22, 2021 10:01 am at 10:01 am #1959514ujmParticipant
Why are you accusing most Yidden of having Tefilin with a plastic seal that is peeling?March 22, 2021 10:20 am at 10:20 am #1959531
Even if it is black on black it is passul bidieeved! And this is how they make retzuos nowadays! They are almost all passul! Ask rav Daniel Klein man how to get kosher ones. Don’t remain a karkafta according to the gedolei hapskim of America!March 22, 2021 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1959552
I guess you know more than Rav Gifter’s son in law
🙄March 22, 2021 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1959618The little I knowParticipant
That’s like making a blanket issur on chicken because there was a tragic incident where one store brought in treife chickens. How does anyone here truly know that that’s how almost all retzuos are made? I grant that there are some that are indeed posul. Did the quoted poskim address this as a “Most retzuos are possul” issue, or were they responding to specific shailos?
As with all such public proclamations, buyer beware. It is important to raise the issue for public awareness. But the sounding of an alarm is more often not warranted. Essentially, it brands most sofrim as well as stores that sell tefillin as dishonest and machshilei es horabim. Can anyone here provide evidence and warnings from the Gedolei Haposkim that substantiates this call for alarm?March 22, 2021 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1959629
ummm….. i qouted the biggest talmid chacham on earth hagoen rav shmuel kamentsky and also rav shlomo miller so why are we having is this discussion??? rabbosai YOUR retzuos are passul! GET NEW ONES TODAY! maybe you should borrow someone elses in the meantime these faulty retzuos are a bor birishus harabim
!March 22, 2021 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1959637
nowadays they make almost all the retzuos with the shellac. and the reason that you dont know about this is since all the sofrim are ignoring the issue BUT rav shmuel kamenetsky rav shlomo miller rav dovid feinstein rav yaakov forcheimer rav moshe sternbauch rav feivel cohen are NOT agreeing to this heter so everyone is being tricked! rabbi reisman and rabbi kleinman tried to fight this but they were shut down by all the sofrim. BE AWARE DONT BE BLIND!March 22, 2021 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #1959647The little I knowParticipant
Did you read my comment? I am not engaging discussion about the halacha of whether these retzuos states kasher or possul. I can choose to defer to Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky shlit”a or to other poskim. My issue is the alarm that you are sounding. You brazenly claim that my retzuos are possul, and that the hundreds of mispallelim in the shul where I daven have retzuos that are possul. I am challenging that. And you have not responded with anything that suggests that there is basis for such proclamation. Please do so. If you cannot, it casts serious doubt about the veracity of anything you say.March 22, 2021 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1959646jackkParticipant
There is daas torah also on how to warn the public of a possible michshol.
Did you ask Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky shlita or Rav Shlomo Miller shlita:
1) if you should make a post on YWN telling everyone that most retzuos are posul !
2) and calling people who don’t change today a karkafta dlo manach teffilin
3) and you should borrow someone elses?
Compare the way that Rav Eliezer Ginsburg made the announcement to yours.
I will quote the public announcement by Rav Eliezer Ginsburg shlita in the Flatbush Jewish Journal of March 11, Page 3.(Archives are online.)
Rav Eliezer Ginsburg has issued a warning “It is possible that instead of coloring the retzuos a plastic coating was put on them, which is not acceptable.
If you suspect this is the case with your teffillin show it to a reliable sofer. ”March 22, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1959703
Similarly, if the eruv is down, don’t tell one on the street.March 22, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1959693commonsaychelParticipant
@jackk, this is from someone who mocked the conspect of daas torah, wow I am impressed by your teshuvaMarch 22, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1959691ConcernedMemberParticipant
As people grow from children into adults one of the things life teaches is that sometimes the method of delivering a message can completely take away – and even ruin – the message itself. Interpret that however you’d like.March 22, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1959692
Do you know for sure that they say black and black is pasul even bdieved? If so please quote where you know this fromMarch 23, 2021 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1959921
The reason why no one knows about this issue is because the shellac peels from the retzuah and underneath it is perfectly kosher so they can’t understand the problem additionally they then show it to their sofer and he says that it’s fine so everyone forgets about it. BUT rav Yisroel reisman and rav Daniel kleinman are saying that this method of making retzuos is new and its passul so why are they doing this to Klal Yisroel?? So ask your local posek what he paskened. But I repeat most people don’t know about this issueMarch 23, 2021 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1960008
I wear my tefillin sixty years, so I don’t have to worry about this.March 23, 2021 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1959989
I totally agree with that
BH my Rav did because I got it one time (that’s how I know) so I switched it to kosher retzuos (I can tell these are kosher, they’re different then the one I had before)March 23, 2021 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1960076
The title of this thread should be reworded, ‘Most Retzuas Made Currently are Probably PassulMarch 29, 2021 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1960763
wow! rabbi forcheimers new sefer has a teshuvah passeling these retzuos! he brings down sources that are amazed at how the sofrim will change the mehalach on how retzuos have been made for thousands of years! without the aprovale of the gedolei yisroel. in fact the poskim DONT AGREE! rabbis kamenetsky feinstein miller forcheimer sternbauch aurbach vichulu vichulu! rav dovid cohen and rav shmuel feurst havent yet paskened the shailah. it should be mentioned that the current posek hador said “that its probarly kosher” but adayin tzurich iyun.
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