music in the 9 days
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August 3, 2011 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #598417kylbdnrMember
Is it allowed to listen to upbeat acapella during the 9 days?
I found an acapella CD that doesn’t even sound like acapella…
It’s called A.K.A pella.
I would normally listen to non jewish music but for the 3 weeks/9 days I listen to Jewish music but the CD sounds like regular musicAugust 4, 2011 3:12 am at 3:12 am #794843mommamia22Participant
My husband just picked up 613, also an acapella cd. Some of the songs are so upbeat (one is even wedding music) that I feel funny listening to it. My husband thinks it’s the same as listening to regular music, but in my opinion, it still is mutar b/c there’s no instruments (the actual issue). To the letter of the law it’s ok. To the spirit of the law, maybe not so much. Depends on your level/madreigah.August 4, 2011 5:11 am at 5:11 am #794844WIYMember
Good point. Sometimes one needs to refrain from doing things that are technically muter if they don’t feel right. These feelings are from the neshama, they are stirrings of kedusha. If one ignores these “feelings” enough times they just go away and one doesn’t want that. Often if it feels wrong it is wrong. Only people who still have a concept of kedusha will have these feelings. Its a good sign if you have them and its wise to take them into consideration.August 4, 2011 10:16 am at 10:16 am #794845Feif UnParticipant
R’ Yisrael Belsky has a teshuva on this. I believe he says not to listen to upbeat acapella music. The issue is that music will bring you to dance. Upbeat acapella can do that. Slow music, even with instruments, is allowed.August 4, 2011 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #794846
The shibolei leket 8: 127, Oz nidberu 8:58 And the Tzitz Eliezer 15:33 Ashrei Ha’ish (rav elyashiv) in hilchos Bein hamtzarim and I believe in Halichos shlomo in hilchos sefira all say the issur of kli shir includes Acapella.August 4, 2011 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #794847cherrybimParticipant
“the issur of kli shir includes Acapella”
Only recorded Acapella; not live.August 4, 2011 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #794848
If indeed there is an issur of listening to music, I have a hard time understanding why even singing would be muttar, never mind acapella.
If anyone here knows the sugya please shed some light.August 4, 2011 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #794849
There is a separate din of kli shir. see aruch hashulchan I quoted in the ywn radio thread.
And about a kumzitz I saw some assur it. I will try to look it upAugust 5, 2011 4:46 am at 4:46 am #794850
What?!!!!!!!! no singing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nuts! i have a hard enough time not singing in front of men (don’t worry, i don’t). but for 9 WHOLE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!! i don’t think i can do that. please look it up. i don’t want to stop singing. that would be just totally devastating – even though i know we’re supposed to be sad about the Bais HaMikdash and that we’re still suffering in galus, but…August 5, 2011 5:58 am at 5:58 am #794851doodle jumpParticipant
I used to always listen to Acapella. About three years ago I heard or read somewhere that it is not so recommended. An example that was given was: You would not sing in a house of Aveilus. Right? I don’t know the precise halacha for it, but when I hear it put that way, It makes a lot of sense to me.August 5, 2011 7:29 am at 7:29 am #794852kapustaParticipant
R’ Yisrael Belsky has a teshuva on this. I believe he says not to listen to upbeat acapella music. The issue is that music will bring you to dance. Upbeat acapella can do that. Slow music, even with instruments, is allowed.
Could someone define dancing?August 5, 2011 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm #794853
It is not assur to sing to yourself lfi rov haposkim. But for a crowd to sing together is problematic.August 5, 2011 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #794854cherrybimParticipant
“But for a crowd to sing together is problematic.”
Vu shtait?August 5, 2011 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #794855
Halichos ShlomoAugust 5, 2011 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #794856PeacemakerMember
Could someone define dancing?
When you move rhythmically to music i.e. two feet move in tandem.August 5, 2011 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #794857
Don’t worry, if you read carefully into what I wrote you’ll see that I didn’t say there is a problem with singing in the nine days.August 5, 2011 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #794858
so yitayningwut – when did you mean? what were you referring to?August 5, 2011 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #794859brotherofursParticipant
i don’t listen to accupela because to me- i get the same happiness out of that that i get out of regular music.. i’ve been singing though :), and i’m sort of trying to sing sad-ish songs beacuse it feels a little weird..August 5, 2011 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #794860
I was hinting at another issue which is a bit complicated. I’m not sure it’s worth getting into, but I’ll give you some basic background.
The truth is that according to the most basic understanding of the Halacha as it appears in the Shulchan Aruch – we’re not allowed to listen to music, or even sing, all year round, unless we are singing praises to Hashem, out of mourning for the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash.
It is very hard to rationalize the fact that seemingly practically no one seems to keep this Halacha.
Also, it isn’t really brought down in any of the source Halacha S’forim (Tur, Shulchan Aruch, Rema etc.) not to listen to music in the 3 weeks or the 9 days. The obvious reason why, is because it’s already not allowed! Therefore the current minhag of many of us Jews not to listen to music in the three weeks and the three weeks alone, is quite strange and needs to be explained. And the fact that people only don’t listen to music, but do sing, makes it even stranger, because the actual halacha which is seemingly supposed to be kept all year round is on singing too.
Don’t worry, I am not telling you you can’t listen to music all year round; ask your practical halacha questions to your rav. Just giving you some technical background.August 7, 2011 4:55 am at 4:55 am #794861
yitayningwut – thank you for clerifying.August 7, 2011 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #794862
yitayningwut- see igros moshe 1:166 where he is melamed zchus yet machmir for sefira and bein hamtzarim. also see tzitz eliezer 15:33 where he is mattir music all year roundAugust 7, 2011 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #794863
I am quite familiar with the teshuva of R’ Moshe and it is a case in point, he clearly holds that all year round music is not allowed whatsoever, and singing to oneself is – at the least – not allowed if it is someone who sings on a regular basis. He ends off with a note that even according to the ?????? one should not listen to music during sefira (and he conspicuously does not mention the three weeks). But this is clearly not his opinion l’halacha.
What I was pointing out to giggle girl was not that she may not listen to music, I know there are people who attempt to be melamed zchus, and I am not coming to be ???? ??? on klal yisroel. It just happens to be that this is one of the stranger minhagim for which it isn’t easy for anyone who knows the sugya to come up with a legitimate limud z’chus, and that people say ???? ????? is muttar in the three weeks seems quite strange as well.August 7, 2011 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #794864cofeefanMember
i bought an acaplla cd and i listened to it the first time i couldnt believe it! it sounded like music to me! i turned to the next song.. same thing…. i am so upset that i spent money on it and didnt even feel like i could listen to it!!!!! its disappointing!!!
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