July 29, 2012 2:42 am at 2:42 am #604317
Is one allowed to listen to music already sunday night (or motzei the docheh of Tisha Bav)?July 29, 2012 8:08 am at 8:08 am #888209yaff80Participant
Being a nidche, everything is mutar as soon as the fast ends – besides for eating meat and drinking wine, which continues until the next morning. This is stated in Halacha.
The reason for this (as I understand it) is that normally the prohibitions continue to midday of the 10th because the Beis Hamikdash continued burning until then. Being a nidche, midday of the 10th has already passed, therefore the prohibitions dont apply any longer. However the prohibition of eating meat and drinking wine is to do with the day of aveilus and therefore the eve folowing the aveilus has the same status as the day.
I hope this is clear enough.July 29, 2012 11:08 am at 11:08 am #888210Be HappyParticipant
No. No Meat wine or music till Monday morning.July 29, 2012 11:24 am at 11:24 am #888211takahmamashParticipant
According to the OU Torah Tidbits, this year the only restrictions left after the fast are meat and wine (excluding what is used for Havdala on Sunday night).July 29, 2012 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #888212gregaaronMember
Most of the seforim I’ve seen say it’s not a problem – the only thing you can’t do tonight is eat meat and drink wine (and even with regard to that, it’s more ???? than during the Nine Days).July 29, 2012 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #888213SayIDidIt™Participant
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On Motzei Tisha B’Av, when Tisha B’Av is pushed off from Shabbos to Sunday, all aspects of mourning are suspended except eating meat and drinking wine. According to this, music will be allowed tonight.
SiDi™July 29, 2012 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #888214Be HappyParticipant
I wrote “No Music” and took it from “Guidelines” – over 400 commonly asked questions about the Three Weeks (Targum/Feldheim).July 29, 2012 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #888215WIYMember
My copy of the Guidelines in question 405 last question states that some opinions hold we may listen to music Sunday night and others hold you must wait until Monday morning. I think that based on this and what it says on OU and other websites one may listen to music tonight without feeling guilty.July 29, 2012 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #888216iyhbyuMember
BeHappy, I think the Guidelines you are referring to is talking about a normal Tisha B’Av which actually falls out on the 9th of av. This year with Tisha B’av being Nidche to the 10th of Av, the only restrictions are meat and wine as others have said.July 29, 2012 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #888217MammeleParticipant
I don’t want to digress, but isn’t it more theoretical for most of us? I personally can’t imagine listening to music tonight, especially while breaking the fast. It just feels wrong, not in the spirit of motzei tisha baav, even though today is really the tenth.
I won’t say the same about laundry, so I wouldn’t consider myself a chasid shota…
Any thoughts?July 29, 2012 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #888218ChachamParticipant
rabbi eider says no musicJuly 29, 2012 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #888219takahmamashParticipant
I personally can’t imagine listening to music tonight, especially while breaking the fast.
Then you’re adding a concept which is halashically invalid.
rabbi eider says no music
Good thing I didn’t ask him.July 29, 2012 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #888220akiva770Participant
i know on nidche one can not eat meat at night but till when is the prohibition does it extend right till chatzos on 11th av?? or just till alois hashacharJuly 29, 2012 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #888221YW Moderator-42Moderator
Alos hashacharJuly 29, 2012 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #888222
I understood it as:
* tonight – no wine, meat, music
* tomorrow morning – everything allowed from alos
There are indeed different opinions regarding music – some say it’s ok, some say no.July 29, 2012 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #888223aaron613Participant
rabbi eider says no music .
my copy says “???? ??” that not til morning. NOT that it is asur for sure.July 29, 2012 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #888224WIYMember
(One isnt supposed to listen to music when they eat so its not a post Tishaa Baav Halacha)July 29, 2012 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #888225
So what I’m getting from the posts as a whole so far is that if I can refrain from listening to music tonight it would be the best thing because there doesn’t seem to be a real answer…if anyone comes up with anything REALLY concrete, I would like to know! Thanks!July 29, 2012 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #888226YW Moderator-42Moderator
See Sha’ar ha-Tziyun 558:4, who is
lenient about music for a seudas
mitzvah. (We can learn out from this that if it’s not a seudas mitzvah it would be assur)July 29, 2012 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #888227anonymouschochomMember
There are those (Shevet Hakahasi) who feel that even though music is permitted according to the letter of the law, one should be stringent and not listen to music immediately after the fast. They feel that we should refrain from this type of simcha,as it is not in the spirit of the evening following the mourning of our Holy Bais Hamikdosh.July 29, 2012 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #888228MammeleParticipant
Thanks WIY for clarifying the halacha about music during meals. We all have a lot to learn and implement.
And thanks to anonymouschochom for finding a source in agreement with my motzei tisha baav spirit. Although we have very specific letter of the law halachos, we need to remember that when it comes to things like mourning and tznios, the halachos were implemented to accomplish a certain goal, and if one’s heart is in the right place, it can’t hurt to honor those feelings.July 30, 2012 12:41 am at 12:41 am #888229ThePurpleOneMember
btw YES laundry and regular long showers tonite:) also wats a nidche?July 30, 2012 1:57 am at 1:57 am #888230
purplicious, a nidche is when a day (for example, Tisha B’av) is pushed off because it can’t be on ShabbosJuly 30, 2012 2:22 am at 2:22 am #888231Sam2Participant
I listened to music by my meal tonight. I saw that there are some Machmirim but the large majority of Poskim seems to say that there’s no reason to Assur it. (And there’s no reason at all to make music more similar to wine and meat than to bathing or laundry.)July 30, 2012 3:02 am at 3:02 am #888232ChachamParticipant
sam2 – you once posted you are makpid on music all year. what happened>July 30, 2012 3:07 am at 3:07 am #888233Sam2Participant
Chacham: My Chumra cannot extend to my parents and sisters. Nice catch, by the way.July 30, 2012 8:18 am at 8:18 am #888234SayIDidIt™Participant
Why is wine and meat Assur? By Avelos for a parent/sibling/child M&W are allowed. From what I heard, after the Churban the Chachamim wanted to Assur M&W. But they didn’t because it would be a din that people wouldn’t be able to keep. So, not eating M&W during the nine days is special for the Churban. So according to this music would be allowed Sunday night the same way showering, haircut/shaving, laundry and Tasmish.
And that is what it means (from my above post) ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???, we don’t eat M&W beacuse of the Avelos of the day. M&W is a special Avelos for the nine days/Tisha B’Av.
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