April 11, 2011 12:55 am at 12:55 am #596234
I am not getting the help I was counting on for various reasons.
So I made a “deal” with Hashem.
I will be mivatel my desire for perfect cooperation,in exchange for the bitul of any chometz I miss,cleaning for Pesach almost completely on my own.
Am I losing …or keeping…the faith with that deal?April 11, 2011 1:10 am at 1:10 am #1193749
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you always had the opportunity to be mivatel any chametz left behind….with a bracha instead of bargaining…April 11, 2011 2:14 am at 2:14 am #1193751ronrsrMember
did He agree to the deal? It takes the consent of both parties to make a contract.April 11, 2011 2:18 am at 2:18 am #1193752
He is not just agreeing, but also throwing in some perks to make the deal more apealing….April 11, 2011 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1193753popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I don’t understand the deal.
You are not responsible for chametz you don’t find anyway.April 11, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1193754
Popa, dont be so serious….April 11, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1193755
I may not get to every nook and cranny and with little kids you really do need to get everywhere.April 11, 2011 2:23 am at 2:23 am #1193756popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I don’t think that is the halacha. You only need to clean chametz which you might end up eating on pesach.
So you don’t even have to clean out the cracks in the couch.April 11, 2011 2:27 am at 2:27 am #1193757
Eclipse; you need to talk to your LOR, you will be surprized to hear that what most women do are not even a chumrah, definetly not halacha.April 11, 2011 2:40 am at 2:40 am #1193758walton157Member
@eclipse: I don’t think HaShem’s middle name is Monty Hall. Stop relying on others and take matters into your own hands, if you can.April 11, 2011 2:47 am at 2:47 am #1193759
deiz…I don’t do crazy cleaning–just the basic NO CRUMB thing.April 11, 2011 2:52 am at 2:52 am #1193760
Monty Hall?April 11, 2011 3:22 am at 3:22 am #1193761Moshe ShmeltzMember
@ Eclipse, I think you need to have a kosher shtar signed with two adim in order for your ‘deal’ with the Aibeshter to be valid. My uncle is Rav Yitzchak Shmeltz from Williamsburg, and I think his Beis Din will be able to provide one to you; I heard such a story from my uncle about making a shtar like this last year for someone who wanted to learn in kollel, and still get a decent parnassa.
Zol zion mit Mazel
MosheApril 11, 2011 3:52 am at 3:52 am #1193762
“just the basic NO CRUMB thing.”
There is nothing wrong with having chometz crumbs on Pesach, just don’t eat them. The gemorrah says they are Bottel by themselves.
He must mean Mutty Hall from the Yeshiva D’Let’s Make a Deal!
“Do you vant vatts behind door #1?April 11, 2011 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1193763smartcookieMember
Health- isn’t there an Issur of SEEING Chometz? And that includes Chometz crumbs.April 11, 2011 4:46 am at 4:46 am #1193764
SC – Nu, you tell me. What did you learn in BY?April 11, 2011 6:25 am at 6:25 am #1193765a maminParticipant
Eclipse: I’m sure you did the best you could under the circumstances! DON’T BE SO HARD ON YOURSELF!!April 11, 2011 6:30 am at 6:30 am #1193766commonsenseParticipant
health and popa, I don’t understand, what part of ‘bal yerae, bal yimatai(forgive the spelling) means just not having chometz you might eat on pesach?April 11, 2011 10:33 am at 10:33 am #1193767
walton…”matters into your own hands”
1.That’s exactly what I’ve been doing–therein lies the workload
2.Asking opinions here doesn’t mean a person is afraid to make a move without the opinions–it’s just enlightening to hear the varying views
3.Were you joking and I’m not getting it?April 11, 2011 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #1193768Raphael KaufmanMember
Hey, a bargain worked for Yaakov Avinu. Maaseh avos siman l’banim.April 11, 2011 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #1193769walton157Member
@eclipse: There was a game show in the 1960s-70s called Let’s Make a Deal (CBS brought back a new version with Wayne Brady weekdays) with host Monty Hall, who by the way is a Canadian Jew born to Jewish parents. Yes, I know the religion lies with the mother.
Anyway, the whole concept of the show was to win the best prizes which were hidden behind door #1, door #2 or door #3. Sometimes the prize was a washer dryer, sometimes a zonker like a goat, yes a goat. But Monty always offered a cash prize BEFORE opening the chosen door and the contestant had to choose between the cash or the chosen door.
BTW, the contesents would show up in crazy costumes. I’m not sure what that has to do with winning prizes.
Bargaining is a human concept. HaShem, unlike Monty Hall does not bargain. We can daven, pray, supplicate, bargain but HaShem is the ultimate Game Show Host.
Hope this cleared this up for you.
Have a wonderful Yom Tov and remember to pick the right door :).
Also, please remember Pesach cleaning does NOT mean Spring cleaning. Leave the Spring cleaning to another time of the year.
Have a Chag K’osher V’sameach.April 11, 2011 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #1193770
That sentence “DON’T BE SO HARD ON YOURSELF”…If I had a dollar for every person who told me that,I’d be wealthy!!:)April 11, 2011 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #1193771
Then again,gallons of unfair criticism is what gets a person so self-critical in the first place!!
Boruch Hashem I have super-duper friends in real life….and even some in the CR!
“Some”,because I know all too well that NOBODY PLEASES ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME…April 11, 2011 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1193772
commonsense – Ya’see we have the chumash and then we have the gemorrah. Interesting concept, no? Look in the gemorrah when this Posuk applies and when it doesn’t. Pirrurim Botlu Mayeiluv.April 11, 2011 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1193773
“Then again,gallons of unfair criticism is what gets a person so self-critical in the first place!!”
Too much criticism whether true or not- is Unfair! Noone deserves to be criticized their whole life! The way to combat this is to have a lot of self-esteem. Sometimes it requires professional help!April 11, 2011 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1193774
I am fairly confident (those who know me can attest to this) in some ways ,just tested often, so I can’t say I’m “unscathed”!April 11, 2011 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #1193775
Ok,people who know me,stand up and “attest”!!April 11, 2011 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #1193776
Hmmmm,is there any part of my life I haven’t shared yet??
Let’s see,my favorite shampoo is—-nah,I’ll save that for tomorrow.April 11, 2011 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #1193777
“Health- isn’t there an Issur of SEEING Chometz? And that includes Chometz crumbs. “
Only if its more then a k’zieyis. (a mashehi is only for eating) and even that is only if you didn’t do bitul, wich of course we do.November 22, 2016 2:31 am at 2:31 am #1193778LightbriteParticipant
Wait what? We cannot even see chometz on Pesach?
What about at the grocery store?
Seeing someone eating a sandwich when you’re walking by an outdoor cafe?
What if you’re a food photographer and the $25k Gluten Fest gig you booked falls on Pesach this year?November 22, 2016 3:09 am at 3:09 am #1193779☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
The prohibition is not for you to see it, but for it “to be seen”
on your property, that is, to be there (even if you don’t eat it).November 22, 2016 4:28 am at 4:28 am #1193780Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
“The prohibition is not for you to see it, but for it “to be seen”
on your property, that is, to be there (even if you don’t eat it).”
Right. Just want to clarify 3 points:
1. You are allowed to see it if it is not yours – for example, food in the grocery store- since the problem is not the “seeing”, it’s the owning.
2. If you own it, it’s a problem even if you can’t see it – for example, it’s packed away somewhere or it’s not on your property.
3. When it comes to eating chometz, any amount is a problem. When it comes to owning chametz, if it’s small enough and/or ruined enough, it’s not a problem. Hence, the above discussion about crumbs.
For the exact amounts, you should check with your LOR, as I have heard different things.
I thought that less than a k’zayis was fine, but then I heard that it has to be less than the size of a cheerio.
It may depend on whether or not it is ruined/inedible, or it may be different opinions, or I may have been wrong about the k’zayis.November 23, 2016 2:36 am at 2:36 am #1193781LightbriteParticipant
lilmod ulelamaid: Thanks that explains why not only is it sold to someone who isn’t Jewish, but it’s either out of the house or stored away in some garage in black trash bags.
I didn’t realize it was a sight-related thing.
Interesting mamashNovember 23, 2016 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1193782Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
sorry if I wasn’t clear, LB. There is NO problem with seeing it. The issue is owning it – not seeing it.
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