August 12, 2021 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1999329
So she was sick with cancer, got better, then relapsed.
Then her kids told her to get the vaccine for COVID-19
She died 3 days late. Heart infamation. Typical. I heard this story already, and now my friend is dead.
I’m heart-broken. I’m so mad at the kids. But if i would have explained this to them they would never have listened. This Vaccine is killing so many. You guys hear what’s happening in Israel? No, because the media isn’t reporting. Those Resho’im. The situation is terrible. These vaccines, and its campaign is really happening; genocide.
We can’t ignore this any longer.
Hashem Yishmor!August 12, 2021 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1999390
Baal -“She died 3 days late. Heart infamation. Typical. I heard this story already, and now my friend is dead.”
I’m sorry for your friend.
Do you believe in Hashem?
Do you believe that Hashem decrees Life or Death?
If the purpose of your post is to tell e/o not to take the Vaccine, then you are an Anti-Vaxxer!
And bringing one case of death, that you believe came from Vaccination, is Not enough to change Public Policy!
Btw, my mother had cancer twice.
She’s better now.
She also took 2 doses of the mRna Vax & she’s fine B’H.August 12, 2021 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #1999386ParticipantParticipant
why does a man have a woman friend?August 12, 2021 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1999398
I’m sorry for your loss baalhabooze
You must really feel bad that you couldn’t save her
We shouldn’t hear of any more צרעתAugust 12, 2021 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1999406
Health – “If the purpose of your post is to tell e/o not to take the Vaccine, then you are an Anti-Vaxxer!” wow, you said it like I’m a criminal or something. Do you have a problem with someone that’s against the vaccine? (Why is Anti-Vaxer even a word??)
yes I beleieve in Hashem – wait, ….do I even have to answer your vicious post, you’re such a gutless heartless person. READ MY POST AND SEE THAT THIS WASN’T THE FIRST TIME I HEARD SUCH A STORY
Participant – Good question. She is a good friend of my wife & myself. Her husband was my friend, he passed away a few yrs ago.
coffee addict: Thank you for you kind words, and omein, we should only hear bsuros tovosAugust 12, 2021 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1999410AlizgittParticipant
I HARDLY post on here…
Why does a erliche yid worry about the syntax used by another yid to describe someone they know that passed away and are sharing their loss?August 12, 2021 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #1999411AviraDeArahParticipant
Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, was first recognized as a possible side effect in Israel among men under the age of 30. There were no disproportionate amounts of other populations contracting that condition, neither in Israel or in the US, where the FDA concluded that there is a rare chance of – again – men under 30 developing myocarditis. It also is extremely treatable with medication and hardly ever results in death. The signs are also very noticeable; elevated heart rate, chest pain, etc….
Did your friend have any other issues? Originally the FDA was reluctant to classify myocarditis as a side effect because the condition happens to people at a certain rate in general. We’re talking about millions of people, a percentage of which will unfortunately contract certain conditions over the course of a few weeks or months. Only if there is an elevated instance of the condition developing should there be an indication of causality, bot mere correlation. That’s a distinction that people don’t seem yo understand in the anti vaxx movement. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all, especially when dealing with millions of people.August 12, 2021 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1999498ubiquitinParticipant
I’m sorry at your loss.
Don’t be mad at the kids. It is a common human reaction to look for someone to blame, it seems a bit misplaced. One, they did the right thing. two It is generally safe to assume they feels the loss of their parent more than one does of a friend
May you only know besuros tovosAugust 12, 2021 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #19994462scentsParticipant
Would you know any more specific information aside from saying that the person you know had a heart inflammation? Was it pericarditis, myocarditis, or endocarditis?
While the person you are referring to has unfortunately passed, you are making a correlation to the vaccine that was taken recently.
Was it the first or second dose?
Did the inflammation progress rapidly, minutes to hours?
While you may say that these details dont matter, you are making accusations and trying to convince people one way or another in a public forum, so please provide some more details to what actually happened.August 12, 2021 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #1999447benignumanParticipant
She had cancer. It could be that she died from a reaction to the vaccine, it could be not. But it is also the case that she was at very high risk of dying from Covid too.
I can tell you this: the vaccine isn’t killing “so many.” There might be some people that have had allergic reactions or other deadly side effects but they are extremely rare. Covid is far more likely to kill someone than an adverse reaction to the vaccine.
Anecdotally, I don’t know a single person who had a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine (the worst was sick for a few days). I know half-a-dozen people that died from Covid. And many more people have gotten the vaccine than have gotten Covid.August 12, 2021 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #1999502flyerParticipant
Sorry for your loss.
A You said she relapsed. Who said it was the vaccine.
B unfortunately many cancer patients die when their bodies had enough even when they are officially in remission. I known of many personally. The whole cancer and everything that is done in order to cure is not easy on the body.
The family should find comfortAugust 12, 2021 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #1999438jackkParticipant
I assume that your friend and her kid’s have a Rebbe, Rosh Yeshiva or Rav that they asked the question to whether a women in her situation should get vaccinated.
If you have an issue with their psak , please contact them and report their response to the CR.
Anxiously awaiting…August 12, 2021 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #1999515rightwriterParticipant
Participant-“why does a man have a woman friend?”
Aside for the fact that the OP clarified, I have a question for you. Why does a Jew feel the need to judge another?August 12, 2021 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #1999519
Baal -“Do you have a problem with someone that’s against the vaccine? ”
“SEE THAT THIS WASN’T THE FIRST TIME I HEARD SUCH A STORY”
Unfortunately, you’re making a mistake about what you experienced and want to apply it to the rest of the world.
This is not how Statistics & Medical Care work.
This world is Not perfect, but the average guy, gal, should take the Vaccine.
In Medicine – the Rule is to Do that which is Beneficial and to Not take too many Risks!
Vaccines are beneficial to almost e/o.August 12, 2021 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1999523philosopherParticipant
I’m sorry for your loss.
I’m keeping on talking about the side effects and deaths caused by these fake vaccines that can’t even lower the coronavirus rate so it’s basically useless. And people keep screaming at me. I don’t care.
Thank for sharing this tragic story, it may open people’s eyes.August 12, 2021 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1999529Amil ZolaParticipant
I’ve had two Moderna shots, I’m a cancer survivor.August 12, 2021 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #1999535🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Hashem should bentch you with continued health until 120.August 13, 2021 10:12 am at 10:12 am #1999639🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Baal Habooze – i am so sorry for your loss and also for your pain.August 13, 2021 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm #1999514rightwriterParticipant
Health-“Do you believe in Hashem?
Do you believe that Hashem decrees Life or Death?”
If you really believe in your approach then don’t tell anyone to vaccinate because Hashem decrees.
But since you don’t believe that because you are trying to persuade everyone to vaccinate, and you will say it’s venishmartem meod, venishmartem also applies to knowing what not to put in your body as well.
We just don’t know any long term side effects from this vaccine what can you not understand? The only way to know is after years. And since there is no quick way to test that out only time will tell. So understand why many are hesitant to take this vaccine especially with the short term side effects which are already know regardless of how much the propagandist media will cover it up with every excuse under the sun. One thing we do know is that the vaccine loses efficacy very quickly maybe just around 6 months and already is showing that it doesn’t protect against other strains. With people at high risk it is a difficult decision whether to risk the virus or vaccine. With everyone else you need to use your common sense.August 13, 2021 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #19996542scentsParticipant
Seems that the OP started a few threads about this, puts out something explosive and then ignores the follow-ups and questions.August 13, 2021 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #1999655
“In Medicine – the Rule is to Do that which is Beneficial and to Not take too many Risks!
Vaccines are beneficial to almost e/o.“
Baalhabooze isn’t arguing with that what he’s saying is most vaccines take years to perfect (or close to) with FDA approval so how can you tell everyone to trust something that was rushed?
There used to be a sign at my work
“I do three types of work, good, fast, and cheap choose any two
If you want good and fast it won’t be cheap
If you want good and cheap it won’t be fast
If you want fast and cheap it won’t be good”
Baalhabooze thinks that the vaccine was fast and cheap (in relation to other things of this magnanimity)August 13, 2021 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1999677
coffee, a good question. I’ve looked at recall information. It seems that problems with vaccines are typically found quickly. That is, there might be short-term side effect after vaccine uptake, but not long-term. It seems to make sense in terms of how immunity reacts to a threat. If there are long-term vaccine cases, please point me to them.
As to short-term, there is a lot of data by now. First, original Phase 3 trials are now more than a year old. So, they would have safety info. Second, real world tests are now done on millions of people and statistics collected.
That said, there are some decisions that are made as pressed by time and conservative approach – such as having, for now, doses for younger adults and children being same as for older people.
Immune response seems to be universally higher with younger age, and risk lower… These decisions are based on Phase 3s being set up for a reasonably high dose to pass the test from the first attempt, and lack of data on lower doses. Whenever FDA authorizes 10 mcg for children < 12 y.o. (v 30 mcg for adults) or when regular authorization will be available, hopefully it will be possible for all young people, even above ba mitzva to use lower doses.August 13, 2021 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1999699
“It seems that problems with vaccines are typically found quickly. That is, there might be short-term side effect after vaccine uptake, but not long-term. It seems to make sense in terms of how immunity reacts to a threat. If there are long-term vaccine cases, please point me to them.“
And the reason that’s so is because fda approval wasn’t rushedAugust 13, 2021 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1999706
coffee, the question is – how often problems found during Phase 3 vaccine trials more than 6-12 months after the start of trials. This should be disclosed as part of Phase 3 results. I recall looking at this, not exhaustively, and did not see anyAugust 13, 2021 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1999730
RW -“We just don’t know any long term side effects from this vaccine what can you not understand? The only way to know is after years. And since there is no quick way to test that out only time will tell.”
The problem is you have No Emunas Chachamin.
Maybe it will come out that you won’t have such a long life because of this Vax.
So all or almost all the Poiskim said to take the Vaccine against Covid 19.
So your Gaivah knows better!
It’s not me who said to take this Vaxx.
Refuah Shalaima!August 13, 2021 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #1999738
CA -“Baalhabooze isn’t arguing with that what he’s saying is most vaccines take years to perfect (or close to) with FDA approval so how can you tell everyone to trust something that was rushed?”
IMHO, the question should be the other way.
Why does Medication or Vaccines take 9 – 10 years to be approved instead of a few months?!?
If it comes out that it’s Not good, then let them stop it then.
Most medicines end up being good.
This government overreach & oversight was do to a medication in the 60’s that caused birth defects and some deaths.
This not an excuse to delay more than a few months!
Hopefully the government will do it always like they did with Covid 19 Vaccines!August 16, 2021 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #2000430
I can name many poskim that are against this particular vaccine, @Health, so throwing a curveball and calling someone out for his lack of emunas chachomim is once again another manifestation of, both, your flawed knowledge of what poskim are indeed saying, and your haste to put someone else down. I think you should stop posting here on YWN as you’re causing yourself to be in deep trouble come RH.
VACCINES TAKE AT LEAST 12 YEARS (CDC) before approval, as per trial basis, and to see of any adverse reactions/death or otherwise. So what are you talking about, Health? These Vaccines were all rushed, and people are suffering/dying everyday because of them. Meanwhile those who took Dr Zelenko’s simple ordinary treatment ALL survived and are as good as before.August 17, 2021 12:03 am at 12:03 am #2000535
Baal > I can name many poskim that are against this particular vaccine
you are not going around looking for a posek with a view, are you? what is your posek (and your doctor) are saying?
> VACCINES TAKE AT LEAST 12 YEARS (CDC) before approval, as per trial basis,
this is a good point, let’s look at the risk in detail. Could you give us a case of a vaccine where complications were discovered more than a year out in last, say, 40 years, and let’s see if this risk is applicable to COVID vaccines.August 17, 2021 12:08 am at 12:08 am #2000537
Health > Why does Medication or Vaccines take 9 – 10 years to be approved instead of a few months?!?
There are differences between medications and vaccines. My simple understanding:
medicines – balance between risk and benefit, often can be used in severe cases if there no other hope. On the other hand, medicines taken against chronic diseases, affect patients continuously and have potential of side effects, so require a lot of testing
vaccines – on one hand, their effect is time-limited. So, complications are expected only during a short time interval. On the other hand, it is given to millions of healthy people who have low probability of getting a disease, so even very low risk is not acceptable. During pandemic, though, risk of disease is very high, allowing for faster approval due to a higher benefit.August 17, 2021 1:20 am at 1:20 am #2000545
I looked at 2017 FDA paper that identified 22 cases of Phase 3 trials rejecting results of Phase 2 between 1999 and 2017. Out of these, 7 were vaccines, and only one of them, V710 against staph infections in hospitals, was rejected due to safety concerns, the rest due to low efficacy. It took 8,000 patients in Phase 3 to detect the issue. Not stated in the text, but it seems it did not take much time (complications followed vaccinations, not long term effect).
Caveat: authors are saying that not all negative results were published before 2008. After 2008, tests needs to be registered with clinincaltrials site before starting, so all results should be reported, including negstive.August 17, 2021 11:55 am at 11:55 am #2000670
Baal -“I can name many poskim that are against this particular vaccine”
This can be the Most outrageous Lie on YWN, considering that they have other vaccines besides the mRna vaccines!August 17, 2021 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #2000738Yserbius123Participant
Someone in my town put out a video of every single shul and Yeshiva rav talking about how important it is to get vaccinated. Many other places put out something similar.
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