My weird substitute for the shem hashem

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    IvduEsHashemBsimcha
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    This is going to be weird.

    When people are practicing davening or saying part of a passuk, they look for a substitute fo the shem hashem. They’ll say either “hashem” or “adoshem” (considered disrespectful). Since we shouldn’t use “adoshem”, that leaves us with “Hashem”, which has only two syllables as opposed to the real shem hashem which has three, making it sound strange. What’s a person to do?

    My suggestion is to use the word “kadonag”, which means “like melting wax”. It sounds very similar to Hashem’s , and is thrwe syllables.

    What does the esteemed coffeeroom think?

    #1026039

    IvduEsHashemBsimcha
    Participant

    I forgot to mention where I took “kadonag” from: it’s mentioned in kabolas shabbos.

    #1026040

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Allah?

    #1026041

    ari-free
    Participant

    Havaya? (as in shem havaya)

    #1026042

    oomis
    Participant

    Nah. Interesting try, though.

    #1026043

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    First stop using the word substitute.

    #1026044

    Menachem Melamed
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    I don’t think that it is respectful to substitute with a word that means “melting wax”.

    #1026045

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    HaBaal has three syllables.

    #1026046

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    So does Markulis

    #1026047

    IvduEsHashemBsimcha
    Participant

    Ok, ok so I admit it’s a bad idea.

    Off topic question: why do some people write “hash-m”? It’s not Hashem’s real name, so why can’t it be written out?

    #1026048

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Popa, that’s so unoriginal. Yehoyakum was original.

    #1026049

    Sam2
    Participant

    Ivdu: I would assume the S’vara is that once it’s meant as a replacement for Shem Hashem it gets some Kedushah. It’s an awful S’vara and a foolish Chumra with no basis. (And if you take it to it’s logical conclusion, once you turn “Hash-m” into something Kodesh you’d have to block out another letter and so on.)

    #1026050

    mghanooni
    Member

    The Chazan at my synagogue uses ‘Amonai’

    #1026051

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Then it’s -.

    #1026052

    on the ball
    Participant

    Adomoy?

    Anyway why is Adoshem not respectful?

    #1026053

    Sam2
    Participant

    OTB: I’ve always wondered about that. The Kitzur says it’s not respectful. I haven’t seen a reason why or many others who say so (other than later Poskim who are quoting the Kitzur) but I haven’t seen anyone who explicitly disagrees either.

    #1026054

    IvduEsHashemBsimcha
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    As far as I understand, the reason is because it is a distortion of Hashem’s name, starting off as the shem hashem and ending in “shem”. It’s not considered respectful to alter hashem’s real name.

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