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Mask mandates are gone across the vast majority of the US, and we’ve found ourselves in a new normal where you tend to see two extremes: people going without masks, and people wearing N95s. Presumably those wearing N95s are doing so out of fear of catching Covid or other diseases. My question – why should these people continue to be discouraged from wearing N95 masks with exhalation valves? Having the valve is cleaner, safer, and more healthy for the wearer.
Who is discouraging exhalation valves? (And what is their reasoning for doing so?)
No one is discouraging these people, they are just making a fool out of themselves.
The same people who wear these masks are the same chevra who have vaccination parties and the same guys who cry about climate change. It’s funny to see these die-hard fir ekn mentshen who still wrap their faces up with these ridiculous muzzles.
BB,
You think it’s funny that people, who you have no idea their medical situation , or their families or workplaces, are wearing n95 masks for protection?
Would you laugh when they die too? Or got deathly ill? Or even moderately? Or lose their sense of smell and taste?
Would you laugh at the yidden who still are severely restricted due to Covid?
Do not judge other people who are trying to protect themselves.
Maybe you should also wear one.
Avram,
first are these commercial or medical? commercial are not the right ones.2nd, one common use of N95 is for people near someone immunocompromised or elderly. In this case, you would need a 2-way protection.
3rd, there are enough people around who use them and also those who should even if they don’t (elderly), and settings where enough people use it, like medical, so you would need to wear/change different masks.
4th, just because many people do not use, doe not mean you should not be courteous towards them.
I understand, though, if you have to sit whole day with Bigbochur and chaverav, you may want to wear big exhaust, dark glasses, and noise-cancelling headphones.
The pro-COVID crowd has a difficult time separating things health officials have said two years ago with more up to date things they are saying today. That’s probably why they claim that the communication about masks is “confusing” as they think that something said by Fauci in February of 2020 is still nogeya despite him having explicitly retracted in multiple times.
The valve mask thing was said in mid-2020. I believe it was retracted later that year. So if you’re wearing an N95 or KN95 mask, it’s fine if there’s a valve on it. However, valved masks are more expensive to manufacture so you don’t see them often (or at all).
@UJM
My eldest daughter had to fly to Spain two weeks ago. She asked me for some of the N95 masks with exhalation valves as she has found wearing the regular ones while sleeping or for more than 4 hours hampers her breathing.
She went through TSA checkpoints and the gate at JFK wearing the mask with exhalation valve, no Problem.
BUT, as she was seated and the cabin crew came through, she was Informed that Iberia (as part of IBG Group) does not permit N95 masks exhalation valves on flights as germs can spread through the exhaled breath. Daughter said this was the only type that she had. Airline offered her a surgical style mask. Daughter, took he surgical style mask and put it over the N95 with valve.
When the lights were turned off for the overnight sleep portion of the flight, she removed the surgical mask.
She has since written a letter to Iberia asking for their rationale, as this 8+ hour flight had two meal services and drink service where masks were removed to eat and drink.
Curious what the answer will be, if there is one.
She flew home private on a client’s G650 and choice of mask was not an issuejackk I’m not sure if you have realised after 2 years that these muzzles don’t actually help anything, punkt fakhert they actually cause way more problems. They just cause you to constantly breathe in your own oxygen that your lungs have already released. The appearance of a surgical mask also creates unnecessary fear for our children and already mentally damaged and vulnerable elderly. Many people will use the same mask for u to 4-5 weeks so they’re only breathing in their own germs. So yes it is hilarious that some people still choose to clog their faces up with this trash.
Dear Avram,
The guidelines are meant for What is best for the public interest. For the best personal advice, ask a physician. The people who are just following the guidelines without any other medical input, are too blind to be given the best advice.
If the physician thinks the patient should deviate from the guidelines, than that is what the patient should do. In a general sense, that is a lot of the thinking when the guidelines are drawn up.
In all fields of life, mandates have legal and technical implications. Managing compliance is a basic life skill. I’m not sure of the overall question here.
Questioning the insane, is a futile exercise. What should the professionals do? They could only put their work out there, and wish that it reaches the sane without being misconstrued. As a whole, we often forget how much less confused we are then the general public. We really have no business getting sidetracked in their insanity.
> your sick, immunocompromised grandma.
I suggest being careful with your healthy grandma, don’t wait H’V until she gets sick. For one, under mild conditions, you can be in N95 and the grandma may enjoy your visit without. As in Bava Basra – when 1 roof is higher than the other, the top one has to build the wall not to see the lower one. In Roman/British/US law, the lower one would have to protect yourself.
Avram
>> FIRST ARE THESE COMMERCIAL OR MEDICAL? COMMERCIAL ARE NOT THE RIGHT ONES.”
> Why not?My understanding is that medical standards call for different filtration. Masks include special materials, such as electrostatic layer. I did not study this in depth. Look it up.
Overall, I agree that it looks like there are enough cases where wearing a valve makes sense. Maybe worth to revisit the original message. Tzarich Iyun.
@Avram-in-MD Other than the initial first weeks of confusion around COVID at what point was the communication “Wear masks as much as possible” at all confusing?
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