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February 21, 2011 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #595203shuliParticipant
what do you think of it? do you wear it? you lets your kids wear it? i just want opinions. thank youFebruary 21, 2011 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #743720TumsMember
No.February 21, 2011 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #743721
I have heard people saying its not so tzniyus but my mind can not grasp the concept. I have tried with all my brainpower but I just can not understand it. maybe very long, bright colors but otherwise… I definately wear n am fine with itFebruary 21, 2011 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #743722popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I don’t let my kids sniff it.February 21, 2011 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #743723
what do you think of it? do you wear it? you lets your kids wear it? i just want opinions.
Yes, I allow my daughter to wear nail polish. As long as it isn’t completely outrageous, I don’t have a problem with it for my daughter.
The WolfFebruary 21, 2011 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #743724
If I remember correctly, according to Rav Falk, it may be applied in mild/close-to-natural colors.February 21, 2011 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #743725cofeefanMember
yes i wear it. but light colors only.February 21, 2011 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #743726always hereParticipant
my daughters (married) go for the pale pinkish colors, but will go more bold on their toes.
I’m outrageous when I get my few & far between mani-pedi’s. I go for dark– burgundy, rust, etc. … but for my daughter’s wedding I went craazzyy: champagne with a design in black & silver ;-DFebruary 21, 2011 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #743727February 21, 2011 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #743728yogiboobooMember
mytake-i dont know anyone who follows Rav Falk. He is EXTREMELY strict.
in the school i work in they dont let it cuz its a bais yaakov.
but i do wear and i wouldnt have a problem with my kids wearing it either. i should be nervous that my daughter or myself is being looked at as a parutz? come on, there are much worse things out there then nail polish. As long as we stay away from the blacks, blues, greens or any of those other weird colors its fine.February 21, 2011 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #743729doodle jumpParticipant
Very light pink color. As long as it does not attract attention, it’s perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with it. My daughters also wear very light/skin tone colors.February 21, 2011 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #743730
Yogibooboo: Rav Falk is in fact VERY down to earth and “Tzum Zach”. He states the HALACHA, and NOT assumptions.
Oh, and no, I don’t wear nail polish. I think it’s really not tzniusdik. Although a light natural color is probably not assur according to halacha. But, my instinct tells me it’s not the right thing to do.February 21, 2011 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #743731
Yes, I occasionally wear nail polish…
on my tztzis. Clear nail polish keeps the ends from fraying.February 21, 2011 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #743732doodle jumpParticipant
Itche: Really? You mean, you just put it on the ends of the tzitzis?February 21, 2011 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #743733600 Kilo BearMember
I have used it to cover scratches on painted metal and I find it as good as appliance or auto touch-up paint so long as I use black or white (colors which are available thanks to the teenage “goth” mishegoss). As a card-carrying frumyak I don’t buy any metal goods in any color besides those 2 so I have never had any experience using custom colors to touch up fancy appliances, bikes or whatever.February 22, 2011 12:00 am at 12:00 am #743734
Yeah, I heard about it a while ago but I only did it about three weeks ago when I first got a set of techeles. The packet the strings come in recommends it. After you spend that kind of money on strings, you really don’t want them to unravel.February 22, 2011 1:09 am at 1:09 am #743735ImaofthreeParticipant
It has become acceptable in the frum community to wear light color nail polish. I don’t think anything is wrong with it and would allow my daughters to go for manicures (but they don’t want to…)February 22, 2011 5:44 am at 5:44 am #743737mom12Participant
He is telling you the DIN. You choose not to listen.
I’m sorry I’m being harsh, but then G-D takes over..
and we ALL learn the hard way…February 22, 2011 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #743738dunnoMember
I’m with yogibooboo on this one. Rabbi Falk is known to be VERY machmir. But if you want to follow it, good for you.February 22, 2011 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #743739HealthParticipant
mom12 – “He is telling you the DIN. You choose not to listen”
How do you know that everything in there is the “Din”? As far as I know, he’s not even a poisek. You want to be machmir fine, but don’t make it -if you don’t listen you are doing an Aveira.
I do agree that girls not yet in Shidduchim shouldn’t be wearing nail polish even light colors.February 22, 2011 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #743740
I don’t wear nail polish generally because I don’t like it.February 22, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #743741
I don’t wear nail polish generally because I don’t like it.
I don’t wear it for the same reason.
The WolfFebruary 22, 2011 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #743742
You laugh Wolf, but I had a cousin (who unfortunately died a few years ago) who went for manicures with clear polish. He was a riot of a man – late 70s, natural dark full head of hair, with graying at the temples, tanned from the hours he played golf in the sun…and the worlds biggest heart. But he like clear polish.February 22, 2011 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #743744hanibParticipant
as far as i know, it’s generally not worn among most yeshivish/chareidi crowd. last i wore it was years ago in my innocent days, coming from out-of-town world, not even knowing that some people don’t – i was on a date. the guy asked me, “why are you wearing nail polish?” i answered something like i don’t know – (i don’t really remember what i answered – probably just smiled uncomfortably). then guy said – girls wear nail polish to attract guys – he quoted some source i don’t remember what – maybe rachav wore it? i don’t know. but that was the first time i ever realized that some women don’t wear it.February 22, 2011 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #743747
nail polish can attract guys??? that sounds nuts to meFebruary 22, 2011 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #743750
Rav Falk has no objection to housecoats with slits IF you’re only around immediate family. His concern is that a woman will answer the door or welcome guests, in which case the slit is not permitted. What is wrong with that?
Also, he says that eyeliner be applied with moderation (I’m guessing he’s trying to discourage the really thick, trashy look) and he DOES NOT forbid it. But, yes, l’chatchila, it should only be applied moderately.
Regarding the hair- He says its preferable/recommended that the hair not hang loosely if its longer than shoulder-length. This doesn’t mean that you must tie it together completely (pony) and it certainly doesn’t mean that if you feel you can’t commit to that, it’s ossur!
Regarding every topic in the sefer, Rav Falk clearly states the halacha in addition to the recommended practice. Obviously not everyone can follow these recommendation, and certainly not regarding every issue.
I don’t feel I am up to a level where I can follow his sefer to a t, but at least I don’t discredit or misconstrue the whole sefer.February 22, 2011 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #743751
anyone disagree???February 22, 2011 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #743752TumsMember
Rav Falk shlit”a’s sefer is taught in the vast majority of Beis Yaakov, under the tutelage of the gedolim.February 22, 2011 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #743753
Yogibooboo: Don’t you think the Chofetz Chaim was “too machmir” on Lashon Hara?? Why do you think tznius is extreme?? Regarding eye liner: THIS IS THE ISSUR DEOREISA. NOT a chumra!!! The Navi Yeshaya stated that the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed because of this!
And BTW, Rabbi Falk is extreme to YOU, YOU’RE extreme to Coservative Jews, and THEY’RE extreme according to the Reform Jews. IT’S NOT A MATTER OF EXTREME. IT’S A MATTER OF HALACHA. You’ve gotta ask yourself, “What’s the RIGHT thing to do??” NOT, “What do I WANT to do?” This is what Yiddishkeit is all about, isn’t it? You gotta do what’s right, right? Right.February 22, 2011 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #743754
Rabbi Falk is extreme to YOU, YOU’RE extreme to Coservative Jews, and THEY’RE extreme according to the Reform Jews. IT’S NOT A MATTER OF EXTREME. IT’S A MATTER OF HALACHA.
Most people I know (including those who are RW) don’t follow Rav Falk specifically. And yes, he is known to incorporate chumras from multiple shittas.
The correct thing to do? Talk to your LOR about what the “right thing to do is” or if you feel uncomfortable, talk to a Rebbetzin who knows the halacha.February 22, 2011 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #743755
The Navi Yeshaya stated that the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed because of this!
The WolfFebruary 22, 2011 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #743756
Since when is eyeliner an Issur Doreisa?
If you have a source for this, please post it.
As far as I know the Navi talks about women who painted their eyes excessively with blue eye shadow, not eye liner, which can be applied today as a very fine thin line.February 22, 2011 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #743757
The Coservatives have rabbis too. You gotta make sure he’s going Al Pi Halacha.February 22, 2011 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #743758
?? ?????? ?????. Mytake: You may be right. I’m not sure. It says that they “painted their eyes” (sorry, couldn’t get the Lashon Hakodesh in place). Whether it’s eyeshadow, eyeliner or mascara – I’m not sure. I’ll bli neder try checking it out today.February 22, 2011 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #743760popcornMember
There is no Halacha regarding wearing nailpolish….Maybe it’s part of someones Hashkofas in regard to being more Eidel in their appearance. It’s a personal choice in family Lifestyle and if you feel you need your Ravs advice and Haskoma then thats your private agenda.
editedFebruary 22, 2011 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #743761ronrsrMember
I was fortunate to be able to shake Willie Mays’ hand when I was a boy. I noticed two things:
1. His hands were really large.
2. His nails were beautifully manicured and buffed. It looked very good on him. I don’t think there was any polish involved, but it looked good.February 23, 2011 4:51 am at 4:51 am #743762
observantteen: Before making blanket statements of that sort you should check out a couple things.
1-learn what the word “d’oraisa” means.
2-actually read the passuk in yeshaya. He does not say that was why the beis hamikdash was destroyed. What he does say is strong enough.February 23, 2011 5:22 am at 5:22 am #743763
Sheigetz: Okay, okay. S-O-R-R-Y. You’re right, I shouldn’t be stating something without checking it out first. BUT, I don’t think I was THAT off track, was I?? I didn’t get the chance to ask a rav (wedding tonight), but, I would appreciate if YOU would. You don’t have a mekor that it’s Muttar, do you?(Oh, and please don’t quote a MO Rabbi as your Mekor.)
Sorry again:(February 23, 2011 10:56 am at 10:56 am #743764ProfessionalMember
s20, any strong colors can invite wrong attention and is a breach of Tznius. why paint nails? why??
Would you paint your nose?
please explain why you would want nails painted. once you start thinking thru, your sensitivity to Tznius will kick in.February 23, 2011 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #743765yogiboobooMember
Professional-nails are meant to be polished thats why there is a business for it. I love getting my nails done, it is so relaxing and then it makes them look beautiful.
we came back from Pesach break and it was time to teach us about Tznius. They introduced it in such a beautiful way. They offered for teachers to come to our dorms and help us go through our closets and pick out whats ok and whats not. Some of the madrichot even went shopping with the girls. The fact that it was made fun and enjoyful made all us want to be tznius. . B”H I took that with me to my married life what i learned in my seminary. Thank you__(seminary name)__ for teaching me the way you did!
editedFebruary 23, 2011 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #743766
Professional, many women paint thier nose – its called makeup.
Observanteen, is there something wrong with a MO Rabbi? Do you believe MO is outside the realm of Orthodox observance?February 23, 2011 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #743768
You make it sound like makeup is wrong, period. Is that what you believe?February 23, 2011 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #743769
“observant”teen: Let’s take your post piece by piece.
OK. Now it’s my turn to rant.
<div id=”rant”>Correct me if I’m wrong, but your attitude seems to indicate that you don’t think the errors were a big deal. Compared to the error of thinking that, you’re right, they weren’t. In non-reconstructionist Judaism (even reform believes this to a degree), we believe in something called the Halacha. That is, a body of law and custom derived from the Chumash interpreted and added to over the centuries by the rabbis collectively known as “Chazal” or “Rabboseinu za”l”. This halacha is considered the word of God to the point that the gemara can take a takana d’rabanan and introduce it by saying “Rachamana Amar,” The all-Merciful(Hashem) says. That means, halacha is what God says, not what we say. The fact that somebody somewhere thinks that x is more appropriate than y or that y contradicts a particular Torah value does not mean that y is assur. Even if it’s with a noble intention, you cannot wave a magic wand and say that it’s halacha. I won’t get into the slippery slope argument by listing others who have tried to do the same thing. You don’t want to do it, gay gezunteheit. You want to make others stop, open a shulchan aruch and find where the problem is.
Mazal tov on the wedding.
Oh, and please don’t quote a MO Rabbi as your Mekor
Why, you’re afraid he knows something?February 23, 2011 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #743770canineMember
Moses Mendelssohn also “knew something.” Even halacha.February 23, 2011 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #743771oomisParticipant
Absolutely yes! I love nail polish and it keeps my nails from breaking. I keep them fairly short anyway, but they looks so much nicer with polish. You may as well ask should women wear lipstick? If you think yes, then there is no reason not to wear nail polish. The lips are far more visible than the hands.February 23, 2011 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #743772oomisParticipant
Perhaps the women who painted excessive blue shadow on their eyes, were also prutzos. That, I can believe was responsible (among MANY other things that men were guilty of also) for the churban.February 23, 2011 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #743773
Moses Mendelssohn also “knew something.” Even halacha.
And so? What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
The WolfFebruary 23, 2011 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #743774☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
As far as I know, he’s not even a poisek.
Are you referring to Rav Pesach Eliyahu Falk?February 24, 2011 12:48 am at 12:48 am #743775
ItcheSrulik: I thought you liked the name Shaigetz (I love the name “member”).
I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic when I wrote I was sorry. I truly was. But, I don’t think my sin was that great.
As far as halacha is concerned, it is assur to wear eyemakeup, no matter what type. (OK, it’s not Doreisa, I think it’s Daas Yehudis) Wait!! I didn’t make that up. Yes, Rabbi Falk writes this. And yes, I go by his Shitta.
I think Canine has clarified you in the MO area.
Now, pray tell, why did you put “Observant” in quotes? I think I’m pretty observant, if not TOO much for ya, huh?February 24, 2011 1:59 am at 1:59 am #743776
wolf: It has nothing to do with anything. Unfortunately, Herr Mendelssohn has become yet another corollary to Godwin’s law. Sad, considering he was an ehrliche shomer shabbos albeit an am ha’aretz (his “biur” was commissioned by him, not written AFAIK) and a “mah yofis-nik.”
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