October 27, 2020 9:07 am at 9:07 am #1913909ashkifardParticipant
Can any of you Biden supporters name even a single Orthodox known Rov/Rosh Yeshiva/Rebbe that says to vote for Biden? If you can’t, will you change your mind and listen to the Gedolei Yisroel shlit”a who unanimously declared their support for Trump? The gedolei yisroel are the ones klal yisroel looks to in times of distress, now, we too must look to the Gedolim. Unless anyone names a known gadol or rov that says vote Biden, i think we are all michuyav to listen to our gedolim and vote Trump2020!October 27, 2020 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm #1914155feivel zevParticipant
Don’t know of any
This question has been asked before………….
everyone i know voting for TRUMPOctober 27, 2020 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #1914162
Feivel: So this echo chamber is singing your nigun…..maybe next year for hakofos we will be dancing to the beat of YMHA by the Shtiebel MenschenOctober 27, 2020 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1914167zahavasdadParticipant
Rabbi Moshe Lichtenstein
but that aside if a Gadol tells you not to wear a mask to not to get a vaccine are you going to listenOctober 27, 2020 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1914185
Read tbe Open Letter on Rav Shafran’s website implying to vote for Biden signed by him and others including Rabbi Emanuel Feldman previous rabbi of Atlanta, GA author of Tales Out of Shul, a hilarious account of converting his conservative congregants to orthodoxy. He is around 93 years old shlita.October 27, 2020 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1914201Tachles1Participant
LET’S FLIP THE QUESTION
Name a gadol that says we must vote Trump…October 27, 2020 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #1914205Resident MortalParticipant
No he doesn’t, just read rav shafran letter and he never names Biden or says to vote democrat. The most he says is to not vote for a party but a candidate that will advocate for out issues and there is no question that candidate is Trump. The main thing he is writing about is openly advocating for the president and therefore making the democrats be more anti israel/jews but there is no question which candidate will be better for the jews.October 27, 2020 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #1914210feivel zevParticipant
zahavasdad i’m talking about gedolim in the Charadei camp
i believe the ROV you mentioned is a A rov affliated with a hesder yeshiva in a settement in IsraelOctober 27, 2020 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #1914218
And if the Gadolim, shlita, had issued a kol koreh telling everyone to vote for Reb Yosef (aka Crazy Joe+) you would have seen 193 posts within an hour providing multiple shitahs as to why in that case only it would be permissible to ignore the Gadolim and cast a vote in accordance to your beliefs.October 27, 2020 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #1914224YaapchikParticipant
If one gadol tells you to vote for Biden you would?? How about all these who have said to vote for Trump for a variety of reasonings, are they thus all chopped liver because one said otherwise!!! Are you for real?October 27, 2020 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1914250
Mortal, the letter says clearly that ‘character’ trumps everything (Israel, abortion and same gender) iimplying including Trump.October 27, 2020 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1914252☕️coffee addictParticipant
“And if the Gadolim, shlita, had issued a kol koreh telling everyone to vote for Reb Yosef (aka Crazy Joe+) you would have seen 193 posts within an hour providing multiple shitahs as to why in that case only it would be permissible to ignore the Gadolim and cast a vote in accordance to your beliefs.“
I see gadolhadorah is projecting his beliefs on other people
I highly doubt it
The least I would do is just not vote at all if I felt that way (and at the post vote for the candidate the gadol said to)October 27, 2020 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #1914253nishtdayngesheftParticipant
Who made R M Lichtenstein a gadol?
His father was and his grandfather was for the Modox crowd. But I’ve never heard him considered that way.
His brother, who is a Rosh Yeshiva in America does not concur with his sentiments at all.October 27, 2020 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #1914254
Yup…..cihopped liver with a big spoon of schmaltz.October 27, 2020 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1914267Sam KleinParticipant
You asked to flip the question for a gadol Hador who said everyone should vote for president Donald Trump?
Ever heard of Harav Shmuel Kamenetsky? Listen to his video all over the news telling all american yidden to vote for Trump.
But in Truth we all know who is really running this country…. And the entire world…. HASHEM RUNS THE ENTIRE WORLD.October 28, 2020 5:09 am at 5:09 am #1914286
“Ever heard of Harav Shmuel Kamenetsky?”
I for one have never asked rav Shmuel kaminetsky a shayla in anything, not politics, not hilchos shabbos, not mussar. Yes, he is a gadol, but since when does a daas yachid by someone who isn’t your rav control everyone? My rav, who is a posek and also a gadol, has not to my knowledge endorsed anyone. I imagine he has his personal views and he might (or might not) discuss them with me if I asked, but he hasn’t seen fit to publicize them or try to instruct people who to vote for. I don’t know where we got this meshugas that one gadols political endorsement controls. GH is absolutely right. All the people who were pro trump were pro trump before rav Shmuel kaminetsky endorsed him. Had another gadol endorsed Biden, who would have switched their support? You aren’t pro trump because daas Torah said so. You picked your daas Torah because it fits your politics. Shkoyach. Krumkeit at its finest.October 28, 2020 5:09 am at 5:09 am #1914287
Sam Klein see what I said why Trump might be winning at https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/trump-winningOctober 28, 2020 5:11 am at 5:11 am #1914290
That video is taken out of contextOctober 28, 2020 5:13 am at 5:13 am #1914322bissele_seichelParticipant
The greatness of our gedolei Yisroel is in their Torah, not their politics. I don’t ask an accountant for medical advice, and I don’t ask my rebbe how to vote. Besides, in our American system, people make up their own minds about how they will vote – they don’t wait for someone to tell them how to vote. In other countries, people vote the way they’re told to vote. Perhaps you’d rather live in one of those countries.October 28, 2020 7:57 am at 7:57 am #1914346rationalParticipant
A real Godol doesn’t tell me for whom to vote. He may choose to tell me for whom he voted, but not for whom I should vote.
I am friends with both Lichtenstein brothers who are Roshei Yeshiva. They are both first rate lamdanim and roshei yeshiva. They have different political views. Why is that surprising?October 28, 2020 10:10 am at 10:10 am #1914395commonsaychelParticipant
@Bissel Sichel, Spoken like a true MO am haretz, a Godal btorah has the ability to analyze a situation beyond of feel good stuff like Green New Deal or MAGA.
The American public were stupid enough to vote a peanut farmer into the office and twice vote for someone who never held a none government job other being a community agitator.October 28, 2020 10:12 am at 10:12 am #1914398
“ The greatness of our gedolei Yisroel is in their Torah, not their politics.”
“ A real Godol doesn’t tell me for whom to vote.”
Considering that almost no gedolim have issued endorsements, I imagine they would agree with those statements. Even rav Shmuel kaminetsky’s “endorsement” if that’s what it was, was in response to a someone pushing him for his opinion.October 28, 2020 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1914400☕️coffee addictParticipant
So Rav Shmuel isn’t a real gadol?
Oh, I understand
Basically you get to define what a real gadol isOctober 28, 2020 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1914402commonsaychelParticipant
@ Rational, a Godol is someone who has a following beyond his immediate circle, for example Rav Moshe was revered by everyone from MO to Vaser Zukin, being a Rosh Yeshiva in a Hesder Yeshiva does not make you a GodolOctober 28, 2020 10:42 am at 10:42 am #1914423
R’ Shmuel is a Rosh Yeshivah in Philadelphia and his following definitely should go vote for trumpOctober 28, 2020 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1914526bissele_seichelParticipant
@common saychel: How do you know whether or not I’m modern orthodox, and how dare you call me an “am haretz”? What does the Green New Deal or MAGA have to do with the topic of this post? Your ridiculous remarks show that you are not someone whose opinion needs to be taken seriously.
BTW, George Washington was serious farmer.October 28, 2020 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1914585
The only serious farming he did was chop down a cherry tree. For everything else he had slaves.October 28, 2020 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1914603
Uncommon Saychel: So you know the hashkafah and level of lamdus of all the posters here in the CR. I’m in awe of your nevius or stupidity, although not sure which is applicable. Yes, there are many frum yidden who don’t agree with those rabbonim who have expressed positive sentiments towards the incumbent and some of us actually exist here in the CR. Its always challenging to express disagreement when someone else’s “gadol” has taken a contrary position. Yes, they are more likely to be MO and also more likely to exist outside the echo chamber that many of you occupy.October 28, 2020 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #1914640The little I knowParticipant
Disagree if you choose. But your pronouncement about Reb Shmuel is beyond ignorant. I am not of the opinion that someone’s prowess in learning has earned the qualifications to guide the Klal on political decisions, etc. Here, I must protest your claiming that to be relevant to Reb Shmuel. For quite some years, his son, Reb Sholom, has been the functional Rosh Hayeshiva in Philadelphia. Reb Shmuel has dedicated the greatest bulk of his time to serving in a leadership role for the Klal. This includes the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah of Agudah, the Vaad Roshei Yeshivos of Torah Umesorah, and a go to person for Klal issues for many, many years. Your local orthodox rabbi might do enormously well at saying the Daf, drashos on Shabbos and Shalosh Seudos, even paskening shailos. This does not necessarily qualify him to represent the Klal or pasken/guide the Klal. Regardless, Reb Shmuel has been a public servant for many years, and unquestionably has the experience to be considered a gadol with vast knowledge in such areas. Again, you are not obligated to agree with him. But it is baseless to dismiss him as just a “Rosh Yeshiva in Philadelphia”.October 28, 2020 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #1914643Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
I am not modern enough to follow “daas Torah” (if I am wrong, please give me a reference to the Gemora tha discusses daas Torah, I would appreciate it), but here is a couple of examples what we would ask Gadol for – a longer view.
1) Haredi politicians asked Menahem Begin to increase government funding for schools. Begin said – this is enough not enough, I’ll give you as much as other schools. Rav Shach told them to refuse and go to previous levels. Otherwise, schools will now rely on government and next government will change the rules
2) WW2, 1940, Vilno, question to R Grozdinski: should we use Sugihara’s visas for old Rabbis (Soviets will arrest them first) or young ones (whose children will be taken away to communist schools). His answer: old ones, they will be able to help remaining ones when they come to US, and also they wil be more of use to American JewsOctober 28, 2020 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1914680
If the Rosh Yeshivah is endorsing trump, he can make it officialOctober 28, 2020 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #1914693
I will believe it when I see it that R’ Shmuel is saying to vote for a certain candidate to Klal Yisroel, as of this moment the only thing I see happening is gedolim saying to vote so that it shows that yidden vote.October 28, 2020 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #1914697
There is a r’ gifter and a r’ moishe (in my opinion)October 29, 2020 12:23 am at 12:23 am #1914714
I still feel it’s everyone’s private business who they for thoughOctober 29, 2020 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1914784
According to the Woodward tapes, Kushner violated halacha by advising not to listen to doctors in April, where it says for Shabbos and Yom Kippur (SA O’CH 328,10 and SA O’CH 618,1) to follow the doctors.October 29, 2020 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1914991
“Kushner violated halacha by advising not to listen to doctors in April…”
Well, his father-in-law is still ignoring the medical and public health professionals. For the past few weeks, the Trumpkopf was a least going through motions of having those seated behind the podium at his MAGA rallies wearing masks while the 90 percent of attendees out front were maskless. If you go on to Fox right NOW and watch the ongoing rally in Tampa, the dozens of attendees seated and crowded together a few feet behind him are all maskless. “No more masks he cried out, we’re getting back to normal…I’m immune….you’ll all have vaccines and miracle cures in a few weeks..October 29, 2020 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1914992Resident MortalParticipant
Same doctors that said no need for masks or that you don’t need worry about social distancing as long as you are rioting for racial equality?October 31, 2020 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1915467
When anyone said masks were not required was because there was a shortage of masks for medical first responders. I don’t know that anyone said that social distancing is not required. The rioters were condemned by Biden. Trump condemned the protesters.
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