February 18, 2021 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1949747
A YWN article
refers to outrageous claims made by Nasrallah
In the course of the speech, Nasrallah also made the outrageous claim that “Israel kills the Jews itself to support its initiative.”
“They [Israel] killed many Jews in different countries because they refused to move to Israel,” Nasrallah said.
The “Outrageous claim” has long been proven by the brilliant book perfidy by ben Hecht – although the book is illegal in the Zionist state.
It is well known that they stirred up trouble in Northen African countries to encourage people to move to Israel and then secularized them.
It was an outrageous thing to do – rather than an outrageous claim.
Even recently HaGaon R’ Dovid feinstein was raising money to prevent the zionists doing the same things to the French.
It says in the zoihar that the goyim say what pamalia shel maalo is saying klal YisroelFebruary 19, 2021 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1949930charliehallParticipant
If I wanted antiSemitic propaganda I’d go to a site run by IfNotNow or electronicintifada or David Duke. Why do I have to read it here?February 19, 2021 3:21 am at 3:21 am #1949940☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Ben Hecht was an anti-semite?February 19, 2021 9:03 am at 9:03 am #1949951
“The “Outrageous claim” has long been proven by the brilliant book perfidy by ben Hecht – although the book is illegal in the Zionist state.”
I bought it in Israel it was widely available.
It is a good book, though a bit ahistroical.
It is also a very Zionist book Ben Hecht was an ardent ZionistFebruary 19, 2021 9:03 am at 9:03 am #1949952akupermaParticipant
Nassrallah, like many politicians, likes to let his mouth run. Since he doesn’t need to worry about what the local voters think, he is free to say anything that he wants. If he had some secret weapon or brilliant strategy, the last thing he would do is to announce it in advance.February 19, 2021 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #1950046
Or “mondo” , or Neve Gordon…February 19, 2021 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1950056
Nasrallah said their [Chrs.] aim was to return the Jews to Israel and rebuild their temple, destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, over the Al-Aqsa Mosque….However, Nasrallah added, “if they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.”
Oct.23.02February 20, 2021 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #1950045
(Iran backed) Islamist Hezbollah’s Hassan Nasrallah:
…the Jews will gather from all parts of the world into occupied Palestine, not in order to bring about the anti-Christ and the end of the world, but rather that Allah the Glorified and Most High wants to save you from having to go to the ends of the world [to kill them], for they have gathered in one place–they have gathered in one place–and there the final and decisive battle will take place.
Al-Manar, (BBC Monitoring) September 27, 2002.
[Camera: Hassan Nasrallah: In His Own Words.]February 20, 2021 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #1950139
Charlie Hall shlit”a
stating the truth shouldn’t be anti-Semitic.
one does not need to bring up old sugyas if one does not want, however to refer to proven claims as putrageous is , if anything, outrageous ……
Ben hecht was an ardent zionist, like many people are today, but he saw the zionist leaders for what they were.
[BTW Moron Ri”z haLeivi zatzaka”l told the Admor R’ Yoilish that although “ken zein du bist gerecht” nonetheless “Cholilo zogen yishuv eretz Yisroel is botel,” and indeed his son the Gramad Haleivi and his grandson HaGaon R’ Chayim feinstein are makpid not to leave e”y. I assume that HaGaon r’ Michel Ber Weismandel – very admired by ben Hecht; was maskim to the Gri”z. does that make them zionists?]February 21, 2021 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1950240RBZSParticipant
Ben Hecht’s book reveals the anti religious views of Ben Gurion and the members of his party who wanted a Zionist non-religious State without the old-fashioned religious Jews who should remain in Europe, even at the the expense of being annihilated by the Nazis ym”s.
He is very pro Jabotinsky and his followers like Begin who envisioned a Zionist State comprising all the Jews of the world.February 21, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1950397
“but he saw the zionist leaders for what they were.”
not quite right. He was a revisionist Zionist a follower of Jabotinsky and Begin. He believed (strongly) there should be a Jewish State. Naturally as a follower of revisionist Zinosim he was opposed to the Labor Zionist Leaders , who while they all agreed s to the need for a Jewish political state, they had different ideas as to how the state should look. Occasioanlty the disagreements led to lies/exagerations about the other group (as in parts of Ben Hecht’s book) other times these disagreements led to violence (Altalena for example) .
But they were all Zionists
“was maskim to the Gri”z. does that make them zionists?”
did the Griz believe we should establish a State for Jews? If so then yes he was a Zionist. If not, then he wasn’t.February 22, 2021 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1950962
The Gri”z- and the Chofetz chayim and R’ elchana wasserman etc…
all were ardent beleivers in settling in e”y, anf all davened regularly to malchus beis Dovdi to be established – i.e. a Jewish state with different leaders.
Ben Hechts book is based on records of the jerusalme magistrate’s court – although it is possible that the witnesses before him lied.
The differences only led to violence against the Altanela, menachem Begin was very insistent that his followers do not descend into violence/lies etcFebruary 22, 2021 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1951004
Yes it is based on records, but is not all true (most is)
“The differences only led to violence against the Altanela, menachem Begin was very insistent that his followers do not descend into violence/lies etc”
there was other violence as wel. But at any rate, Menachem Begin was a Zionist too. His views on zinoism were closer to Ben Gurion’s than to lehavdil, Rav Elchonon z”l’s
ditto for Ben Hecht. He too was a zionist.
IF you want to redefine zinosim to include “The Gri”z- and the Chofetz chayim and R’ elchana wasserman etc” That’s fine with me.
But by ANY definition of Zionism you use Ben Hecht was one.February 22, 2021 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1950983
“Ben Hechts book is based on”
yes ” based on.” There have been many reviews of it written over the decades. I did not say it was all unture.
The bulk of it is true.
what I pointed out was that Ben Hecht was a Zionist. By any definition of the word.
“The Gri”z- and the Chofetz chayim and R’ elchana wasserman etc…
all were ardent beleivers in settling in e”y, anf all davened regularly to malchus beis Dovdi to be established – i.e. a Jewish state with different leaders.”
Nu nu so mazel Tov they were Zinoists. Thats a good thing!
Not sure what your point is.
If you enjoy redefining “Zionism” from its commonly understood definition to include “he Gri”z- and the Chofetz chayim and R’ elchana wasserman”
That’s’ fine. Though I’m not sure what it has to do with anything .
“only led to violence against the Altanela”
It wasnt “only the altalena” (assassination of de Haan, The Saison when Hagannah worked with the British agaisnt tHe Irgun, and when Begin famously ordered his followers not to fight back) Still not sure what your point is.February 22, 2021 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1951013Yserbius123Participant
The problem with “Perfidy” is that Hecht gives way too much power to Kastner. He alleges that Kastner single handedly had the koach to stop the Churban in Hungary but didn’t in order to get the Kastner Exchange (and Kindertransport I think?) off the ground.
Ironically, Hashem used Kastner as the shliach to save the Satmar Rebbe Reb Yoel ZT”L from the fires of Europe.
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