July 7, 2020 8:46 am at 8:46 am #1880294GoldilocksParticipant
As much as I dislike De Blasio, I certainly do not think it’s okay for anyone to call him “Hitler”.July 7, 2020 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1880445n0mesorahParticipant
A slave can buy his freedom whenever he wants. He can also be bought and sold. And a prisoner can attempt to escape whenever he wants.
Though they will not always get what they want. Even the employee.July 7, 2020 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1880530
He was definitely busy “accidentally” saying Hitler instead of De Blasio and Germany instead of NY.
But I do believe you that if you had seen it you would have said something.
As to your devils advocacy, I’m not sure what the comparison is. In regards to the holocaust either you are cheapening the memories of the survivors or not. By the N word, the way I understand it is that a white saying the Nword it is traditionally viewed as a racist thing to say, so when a black says it that doesn’t really apply. A better comparison to the N word would be Jewish money jokes.July 8, 2020 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #1880659
Doing my best,
African Americans can’t be racist to each other?
Jews can be anti SemiticJuly 8, 2020 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #1880790charliehallParticipant
The tariff argument is a lie. By the late 1850s, tariffs were at the lowest levels in decades thanks to the tariff reduction signed by President Pierce on his last day in office. The South had gotten everything it wanted.July 8, 2020 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #1880801
“ African Americans can’t be racist to each other?
Jews can be anti Semitic”
Well yeah, but I think you know what I meant.July 9, 2020 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #1880913
No I don’t know what you meanJuly 9, 2020 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1881033som1Participant
“More recently Hikind called for the removal of Petain’s name from the canyon of heroes. In spite of the fac t that it commemorated a parade held in Petain’s honor in 1931 well before his role in Vichy France.
Is he wrong?”
destroying illegally and petitioning or calling for removal diplomatically is to completely different thingsJuly 10, 2020 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1881111n0mesorahParticipant
They are the same for this conversation. See the first responses above.July 10, 2020 8:47 am at 8:47 am #1881118
what i meant was that the same way if a random frum guy tells you a funny line about how “Only a yid…” you don’t feel like he hates you, but if a random goy would say “only a jew would…” you would say he hates yidden, if a Black says the N word it is not considered racist.
However, when discussing the holocaust, the subject matter is not whether you are hating someone but rather whether or not you are cheapening the sacrifices of victims. Therefore it would not make a difference who is making the offending statement.
Because of the above explanation, the statement “I think the same reasoning is here too” is incorrect. I am afraid that i cannot explain any further. Either you get it or you don’t.
As n0mesorah explained, this thread is not about whether or not specific actions are right or wrong. It is about whether or not it makes sense that certain groups would be offended/bothered by certain cultural decorations/items.July 10, 2020 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1881130ubiquitinParticipant
I cant help but notice that while you did stick a true but irrelevant comment, you did not answer the questionJuly 10, 2020 10:08 am at 10:08 am #1881150Yserbius123Participant
Those talking about “contributions to society” can you please explain to me exactly what Jefferson Davis contributed to the betterment of society in the US?July 10, 2020 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1881164Avi KParticipant
N0mesorah, first the slave has to get the money. The Gemara discusses this as everything he gets is his master’s. Someone must give him the money on condition that it not go to his master. In essence, he is buying the slave in order to free him. BTW, John and Abigail Adams received a slave as a wedding gift and immediately freed him. Washington freed all his slaves in his will.July 10, 2020 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1881197
Doing my best,
I appreciate your trying to explain it to me
Calling someone a N word is racist no matter who says it (just like the k word for us is anti Semitic no matter who says it) it is not the same as a “Jewish joke”
If someone said “go back to Germany” I for sure would take that as anti SemiticJuly 10, 2020 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #1881209som1Participant
“Or say, if hitler had made a national park in Germany and Germany made a carving on a mountain of him in this national park. It would definitely bother me. Yes, I know most of us wouldn’t go forcefully rip it down, (maybe heshy tischler) but does this maybe put some sort of new perspective on current events?”
a statue of George Washington Robert e lee or other slave owners doesn’t stand for slavery
a statue of hitler stands for nazism unless in a museum which instead would stand for historyJuly 10, 2020 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #1881260
Maybe you didn’t understand. In the quoted example, the intent when carving Hitler into the mountain was to honor him solely for creating the national park.
But I assume you actually did know this, and so then I have an Interesting point to make. You wrote “ a statue of hitler stands for nazism”. That is an absolute. Meaning, that you as a would be victim of Hitler believe that if there is a statue of him Then no matter the actual intention, it stands for Nazism. So then why should a black man feel any different about a statue of someone who abused black people?
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