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    Yussel
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    I am seeking advice on how not survive a shlepped out R’H davening. The ba’alei tefillah where I daven mean well, but they are not really so good and they Shlep. They feel a compulsion to sing virtually everything using tunes that don’t necessarily fit the words. Their voices are not always up to the demands of leading the tefillos and it feels as if it’s never going to end. There is NO inspiration at this davening, except perhaps an inspiration to run out screaming. Davening is about 5-5.5 hours and I feel as if I am going to lose my mind if I have to go through this again. Yet I have no choice and cannot go to another minyan.

    Anybody out there have any advice?

    #1033202

    DaMoshe
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    Why can’t you go to another minyan? If the davening just makes you want to scream, then you probably shouldn’t be there.

    #1033203

    lebidik yankel
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    I bring seforim along. Last year I read Rav Saadya Geon’s Emunos Vdeos on Tshuvah – it sounds like it would be heavy reading but No, it was fascinating. Its not much – he is very sparing of words, but thats the beauty – you read a thought, then turn it over in your mind as the Chazzan sings and everyone is happy.

    Some other candidates are the Rambam on Tshuva, the Beis Hashem of the Mabit on tshuva and so on.

    #1033204

    baruchderrin
    Participant

    ouch, i would try to find a makom that you feel suits you better, if its at all possible with whatever your circumstances are

    #1033205

    Francorachel3
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    I have had a similar problem with the Myssaf in my Shul….speak to the Rov and be honest about your feelings!

    #1033206

    Ender
    Participant

    I second lebidik yankel. Find a sefer that is on your level that you think you will be able to learn from for a long period of time and just keep it by your side. All the best, and have a great davening.

    #1033207

    orange u glad
    Participant

    finish the sefer tehillim during the chazara

    #1033208

    mobico
    Participant

    Perfect time for Daf Yomi.

    #1033209

    Joseph
    Participant

    What compels you to remain in your current shul?

    A 5 hour service is hardly that long. Many shuls are notably longer. We’re you expecting to be in and out in three hours??

    And R”H davening isn’t intended to be a concert…

    #1033210

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    Learning, saying tehillim, etc are great in the right time, but during davening on R”H is not the right time! He needs to go to a shul where he’ll be able to concentrate on the davening, not use something else to distract himself!

    #1033211

    Yussel
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    Lior:

    You are right, it’s NOT supposed to be a concert. THAT is the problem. If they just did the chazaras hashatz without all the schmaltzy singing, I would be much happier.

    For reasons I don’t care to share here, I cannot daven in another shul.

    #1033212

    heshyEmes
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    As talking is not allowed until after all the T’kiyos; I usually have some Shailos & Tshuvos seforim with me. Lots of variety & very enjoyable. Igros Moshe, Briziner Rov, Suchutsuv, Debricen, etc. Or books on Business Ethics, Ribis, or anything that you don’t have a chance all year round. I’m actually upset that my shul finishes around 1:00.

    #1033213

    Joseph
    Participant

    What’s the heter that some yeshivos (and shuls) employ to give a kiddush before tekias?

    #1033214

    takahmamash
    Participant

    A 5 hour service is hardly that long. Many shuls are notably longer. We’re you expecting to be in and out in three hours??

    It’s not a race, but we finish in about 4 hours – 0700 to about 1100. And yes, 5 hours can be long if the davening is shlepped out for no reason – long mi shebeirachs, chazanut that goes on and on without end, a rav that falls in love with the sound of his own voice and drehs on for 45 minutes or an hour . . . I’ve been there and done that. I feel your pain, Yussel.

    #1033215

    Leyzer
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    I take along Kerem Hatzevi al Hamoadim (by Rav Z H Ferber) with me. A great Sefer with great Drush.

    In my yeshiva days I used to peruse Yalkut Lekach Tov, but it was quite heavy Litvish Mussar and just made me feel depressed.

    #1033216

    funnybone
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    I like to look through the translation/notes from a machzor. I’m comfortable with both Artscroll and Machzor Hameforash.

    I have at times left shul to take a short walk.

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