Netillahs Yudiem, Osher Yutzer,
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November 4, 2009 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #590736
How many times do you have to wash your hands??
Thank YouNovember 4, 2009 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #666182
Netilas yedayim- right,right,left,left
Asher yatzer- right, left, right, left.
Only negel vaaser is 6 times(or better,8)November 4, 2009 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #666184
Do you wash asher Yatzer after going to the bathroom during the night? Do you do negel vasser first? I have heard conflicting minhagim?..November 4, 2009 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #666185
I’m going to be in trouble now, but yes, I wash negel vasser if I go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. I was told by my Rav not to, and given really good halachic reasons, but I just don’t feel clean if I don’t.November 4, 2009 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #666186
You really are supposed to wash negel vasser if you step off bed during the night.November 4, 2009 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #666187feivelParticipant
you have to wash if you sleep a certain amount of time.
the length of time has a wide range of opinions
i hold by 20 minutes
the shiur is derived from how many times a horse breathes a certain number of breaths.November 4, 2009 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #666188
smartcookie: My rav would disagree with you. I don’t remember the reasons.
feivel: Perhaps you can ask your rav where he holds on this issue.November 4, 2009 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #666189
Anyone want to take the pulse of a horse?
Does it matter if you wash your hands in the middle of the night? So long as you dont make a bracha what harm can come from pouring water over your hands. Regarding a bracha, that would be a psak your Rav would have to give you.
EDITEDNovember 4, 2009 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #666191
jphone: I’m with you. But my rav said not to even wash negel vasser.November 4, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #666192
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Thanks feivel.November 4, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #666193
OK. Want to place your hand in front of a horses mouth and count the breaths?
This statement must be a typo. “the shiur is derived from how many times a horse breathes a certain number of breaths.” The number of times a horse breathes a certain number of breaths would be the number of times it breathed. I think you meant, the number of times a horse breathes in a certain amount of time.November 4, 2009 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #666194
jphone: I think what he really meant was the amount of time a horse breathes a certain number of breaths, which is the opposite of what you said.
Example 1: How long does it take a horse to breathe x times? Then that would be y amount of time of sleeping.
Example 2: How many times does a horse breathe in x amount of time? Irrelevant. How does that determine how long a person has to sleep for?November 4, 2009 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #666195feivelParticipant
I think you meant, the number of times a horse breathes in a certain amount of time.
please think about this. is a shiur of TIME. how long someone slept.
it is not a frequency. it is a length of time.
it is not how many breaths a horse takes in a designated amount of time. it is how long it takes a horse to breath a designated number of breaths. the number of breaths is fixed (i dont recall the number).
the length of time has been decided differently in different shitas.
it is not a joke
the Torah frequently derives shiurim from naturally occurring events.
please ask a Rav if you still dont understandNovember 4, 2009 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #666196
I understand. I just looked up the halacha as brought down in the Kitzur.
. It is sixty neshimos (which he says is approximately half an hr)
I wasnt paying attention to what I was reading because I was looking up the number of neshimos, but I think I saw him say that if you do wash negel vaaser in the middle of the night and then go back to sleep and wake up after daybreak you should wash again, without a bracha. Need to double check.November 4, 2009 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #666198
I told you I didnt read it carefully 🙂
I also didnt write carefully. I neglected to write he also mentioned “taking care of ones bodily needs” in the same halacha and he is discussing the need for a new netilas yadayim upon waking, if it was done once during the night. Dont quote me.
Siman Beis Sif Ches.November 4, 2009 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #666199
Haifagirl- just wondering if you know the hetter as to why you don’t need to washNovember 4, 2009 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #666200
I was told not to wash negel vasser and not to say asher yatzer when getting up in the night only to wash hands.November 4, 2009 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #666201
smartcookie: The way he explained it to me was that it wasn’t a heter to wash, one is not supposed to wash. But I don’t remember why. I’ll see if I can find out. Or perhaps someone in the CR who is more knowledgeable than I can look it up.November 4, 2009 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #666202Mezonos MavenMember
I also don’t understand how haifagirl got an answer not to wash. She said her Rabbi gave her the reasons, so perhaps she can clarify. But I suspect the more likely answer is she mis-interperted, misunderstood, or mis-described the situation – either to her Rabbi or to us. (No offense!) Perhaps she can clarify it again with him.November 4, 2009 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #666203cherrybimParticipant
feivel – “the shiur is derived from how many times a horse breathes a certain number of breaths.”
My wife says that I sleep like a horse. I’ll ask her to count my breaths per minute and I’ll let you know.November 4, 2009 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #666204havesomeseichelMember
I always washed the same for going to the bathroom as upon awaking. hmm. Is it a problem to wash extra? especially if you were unsure if the water covered your hand or not???November 5, 2009 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #666205
smartcookie thanks!!November 5, 2009 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #666206
asher yutzer only 4 times?November 5, 2009 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #666207
asher yutzer only 4 times?
4 times is a must but many have taken on a “chumro” of 6.November 6, 2009 6:03 am at 6:03 am #666208shaatraMember
6 always.November 6, 2009 6:20 am at 6:20 am #666209
I’m almost positive that according to halacha you’re supposed to was 4 times for asher yatzer.
I’m a little lazy but perhaps someone here can find out for us the exact halacha from a reliable source?
I can’t believe that were all washing for so many years and were not even sure how to do it correctly…..November 6, 2009 8:37 am at 8:37 am #666210
Can you wash hands in the bathroom?? I have heard different ideas.November 6, 2009 10:20 am at 10:20 am #666211
Talking about washing hands do you wash mayim achroinim? Do you leave it to the man of the house? Just Shabbos??
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