January 8, 2013 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #928833PatriMember
“Creamed”? Whatever that means. He is seeking attention. And what you might consider embarrassing for him on the radio interview, he doesn’t and actually considers he embarrassed the host.
mi pueblo: Someone already tried that. But what happened instead was that the guy who tried it ended up in a cast for a few months. Wasnt a good idea.
I don’t understand why the school is being so stubborn and doesn’t let the boys into their boys school instead of giving everyone the problem of a girls school having a couple of boys roaming around every day.January 8, 2013 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #928834zahavasdadParticipant
Since the government is paying anyway why not have a private tutor teach the boys in the appropriate school. The Boys school could let him enter and give him a rebbe in a class just for the sons and nobody elseJanuary 8, 2013 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #928835popa_bar_abbaParticipant
And this is why schools should not accept money from the government. Because then they can force your girls schools to accept the sons of this weirdo.
His sons are probably pretty girly anyway.January 8, 2013 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #928837zaidy78Participant
What the school should have done, is have a massive “bruchos haba’os” assembly for the boys, with all the students, teachers, principles singing and dancing and welcoming the boys so joyously. The teachers should have started dancing with him. The press would have seen it as if the school wants them, and he should have been a few blocks away by then. (But then again, with this guy there is no telling!)January 8, 2013 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #928838
This just in.
Bnos Yerushalayim will be hosting their first avos ubanim program this motsai shabbos.January 8, 2013 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #928839
Why not go to Bais-Din for a heter to get the local courts to put him away on other charges for a long time. He is a mooser and Bais Din can act. By traveling to Iran and doing what he did, he probably got money from terrorists and worked with them. I am sure if they really dug it up, many very illegal acts can be found to put him away for a long time. His family would not have to pay the price for his shtick.
If this is left unchecked, how long before others try this in other parts in Europe and US. Why not try stopping Jews from doing Briss with this mooser telling the governments what they want to hear? A mooser is dangerous.January 8, 2013 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #928840MDGParticipant
“A mooser is dangerous.”
A moose is also dangerous.January 8, 2013 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #928841golferParticipant
MDG, if the subject is a mooser, then that big brown animal with antlers would clearly be a meese, don’t you think?January 8, 2013 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #928842rcParticipant
I love Zaidy78 response. great idea. the school should have rolled out the red carpet. all the girls should have been singing and welcoming them. What a terrible example to be setting for these impressionable boys. Hashem Yeracheim. I guess they are safer in a girls school, cuz if they get into a mainstream chassidshe yeshiva, they will get the you know what beat out of them…January 8, 2013 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #928843
zahavasdad -“How many Yeshivas in the US deny education to kids IN THE USA because the parents “Arent Frum enough””
And why are you posting to me? Did I ever say that I agree with what these Yeshivos do?January 8, 2013 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #928844
lost in Europe -“The main reason the schools are scared to accept his children is that he is such a sick guy that they are afraid he will mussar them if he finds even the most petty reason to. He will have them tip toeing around him and that is no way to run a school. He did this in NY, where the principal there is still crying about him.”
You seem to be trying to excuse the Yeshivos for their part of this massive Chillul Hashem. The only way someone can Mussar Yeshivos is if the Yeshivos are breaking the law. Otherwise they have nothing to be afraid of. If he was being a nuisance to the Yeshivos -they could just get an order of protection against him.
So either you’re claiming Yeshivos always break the law or they don’t care about the Torah that says Jews have a right to a Jewish education.January 9, 2013 1:25 am at 1:25 am #928845mi puebloMember
His kids may have a “right” to a jewish education/ but so do all the other kids. If he will become a sideshow that detracts from the education from all the other kids, the yeshiva is correct to keep him and hisbkids away.January 9, 2013 6:43 am at 6:43 am #928846
mi pueblo -“His kids may have a “right” to a jewish education/ but so do all the other kids. If he will become a sideshow that detracts from the education from all the other kids, the yeshiva is correct to keep him and hisbkids away.”
I presume this latest sideshow was due to his kids rejection into the Yeshivas in the first place. If you’re talking about his political views, do you think he’s gonna bring his friend from Iran to the schools for his kid’s Show and Tell?
If you want to defend the Yeshivas – post an argument with some logic!January 9, 2013 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #928847
Health-Find me ONE school organization or business for that matter, that is 100% kosher without any infractions and I will support you.
In order to get subsidized here you have to follow a certain curriculum that is counter to Jewish belief. So for some subjects there is some playing around with, as is done all over the world.
Please understand, from your point of view, there seems such an easy solution, just accept them in the boys school. Believe me, if it were so simple, don’t you think this would be done? Do you think the schools he is involved with would spend thousands of dollars they don’t have on lawyers and publicity? He is a complete nutcase and was expelled from a few countries already, don’t you realize that this situation is more complicated then just accepting their kids?January 9, 2013 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #928848shmoelMember
Lost in Europe: In that case tell us what, exactly, the not-so-simple “complications” are with accepting these Jewish children into their boys school.
And after you are done explaining the above, please also tell us how having the boys in a girls school is better than having the boys in their boys school.January 9, 2013 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #928849
Can anyone articulate the arguments for and against accepting these boys into the yeshiva? Health argues “they are jewish boys and deserve a jewish education”. The yeshiva clearly disagrees, have they articulated their opinion? If anyone knows it, would they share it? (Note: I am not “taking sides”, just asking if anyone knows both sides).January 9, 2013 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #928850
I do not know the ins or outs of the situation.
However after the fact, it is understood on why no one wants to associate themselves with the father.
He is one sick man, he stated that having boys in a girl school makes the school better.
I for one would not accept this persons children.
The argument that the children do not have to suffer because of the father is invalid, since although they got pulled into this by force, they are still in it.
If they would start watching TV at home, it would be understood on why the Chasiddishe mosdos do not accept the children, even though they have not chosen to watch TV, I think that the same applies here to.January 9, 2013 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #928851shmoelMember
Absolutely incorrect. You cannot punish Jewish children because of the actions of their parents. Even TV is an invalid comparison, since in that case it is the child himself watching the TV. Here there is nothing the child is doing wrong.
You’re going to murder Jewish children because of who their father is? That is a goyishe midda.January 9, 2013 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #928852
To apushatayid: “Can anyone articulate the arguments for and against…” After reading all these posts of what a difficult person he is, a nut case and a musser, can’t you understand that the school is just plain “scared and worried” to take in these children?
This is not the US, Antwerp in a small ghetto. The yidden here have no “protektzia” with any officials to protect us should Mr Iran decide to make trouble.
And since most of us do not know all the little details of what went on between him and the school officials, can’t you all give the benefit of the doubt that the school is taking this problem very seriously and if they decide not to take the kids in, there must be a good reason.January 9, 2013 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #928853
Lost: thanks for the update.January 9, 2013 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #928854
If the father would be neutralized, not to able to make any trouble for an extended period of time, then the children should be taken in to a Yeshiva. They should be assigned educators/mentors to make sure they act, speak and behave normally. This should only be undertaken once the school can be assured that the parents will not make trouble for the school or the education of the other children.January 9, 2013 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #928855
lost in Europe -“Health-Find me ONE school organization or business for that matter, that is 100% kosher without any infractions and I will support you.”
I’m sorry, but I must be naive. I believe most people try Not to steal from anyone including the Gov. You’re saying e/o does, esp. schools. I thought schools have learned their lesson from the 70’s and 80’s where some went to jail. If you are privy to info about certain schools that are stealing – you should bring this to the Rabbonim.
And just because “e/o does it” -doesn’t make it Mutter!
And most people who do break laws are B’shogeg, not Maizid, because of their ignorance!
If he’s (Freidman) exposing certain schools who are stealing from Govs. then we owe him Hakoras Hatov for being the “sunshine” that’s disinfecting the schools.January 9, 2013 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #928856
2scents -“The argument that the children do not have to suffer because of the father is invalid, since although they got pulled into this by force, they are still in it.
If they would start watching TV at home, it would be understood on why the Chasiddishe mosdos do not accept the children, even though they have not chosen to watch TV, I think that the same applies here to.”
Here in the US – we can say don’t come to our school – go to the MO school where they allow people to have TV’s in the home. But if there wouldn’t be other Jewish schools, they wouldn’t be allowed to force the kids to Public School, if the parents aren’t going to home-school, because of all the Takanas that we have in our Yeshivos!January 9, 2013 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #928857L.Member
To mi pueblo, you said :
“Surely this guy goes to the mikveh. Why don’t they talk some sense into him there?”
We don’t have the right to decide if he is Chayav misa. Only the Beis Din in the Beis Hamikdash was allowed to.
The fact that he is s rosho doesn’t give permission to hurt him.January 10, 2013 5:11 am at 5:11 am #928858147Participant
Just because he quit NK does not make him mainstream.
Just like Obama’s renunciation of Jeremiah Wright as his spiritual mentor, doesn’t undo the filth Obama was spewed with for 20 years of his life.January 10, 2013 8:32 am at 8:32 am #928859
Alex- In normal situations you would be right, neutralize the father, make sure that there are some guarantees that he won’t make trouble. You are a bit naive, If I may say. Can’t you understand from the other posts that this is a person that cannot be reasoned with. I once spoke to a relative of his that told me that the family was willing to help him out financially and morally in New York if he would just renounce his crazy ways. That lasted about two weeks, the family did something he didn’t like and he threatened them with a gun. The guy is unstable! Get real everyone! Don’t you see enough violence lately with crazies coming into schools and workplaces shooting at everyone because he feels he was slighted?! This guy is a bomb waiting to explode!
No one can predict how far he can go. Why take chances with our children!!January 10, 2013 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #928860
“We don’t have the right to decide if he is Chayav misa. Only the Beis Din in the Beis Hamikdash was allowed to.”
Did MP suggest killing him?January 10, 2013 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #928861KovodHabriyosMember
MP suggested beating him on a personal initiative. You’re okay with that? What if he kills his attacker in self -defense or has the cops lock up the attacker for a few years?January 10, 2013 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #928862
I hear that he goes shopping in the Jewish stores without paying, he says he will masser any shopkeeper (he will dig up something) who demands payment. He’s a mafioso, people are terrified of him.January 10, 2013 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #928863
moi aussi -“I hear that he goes shopping in the Jewish stores without paying, he says he will masser any shopkeeper (he will dig up something) who demands payment. He’s a mafioso, people are terrified of him.”
Nowadays, Noone is afraid of the Mafia -if you’re on the up & up. We have the legal right to purchase weapons for self-defense, at least until Obama outlaws them. And the shopkeepers that steal from the Gov. – I have no mercy on them. This guy is like the sunshine – disinfecting these thieves amongst us.January 10, 2013 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #928864
lost in Europe -“The guy is unstable! Get real everyone! Don’t you see enough violence lately with crazies coming into schools and workplaces shooting at everyone because he feels he was slighted?! This guy is a bomb waiting to explode!
No one can predict how far he can go. Why take chances with our children!!”
In your defense of the schools -your posts keep getting weirder.
You say he is unstable and dangerous -so they can’t take his kids into Yeshiva.
This makes No sense to me. First of all, to save Jewish Kids from this man -it’s best to get them away from him. If not possible, at least put them in Yeshiva during the day which is at least part time away. Second, if they really believe he’s a danger – why provoke him by Not allowing his kids in -this will cause him to seek revenge. Also, they should buy weapons for self-defense or if they are scared of guns or they aren’t allowed to own guns in Liberal Europe then they should hire armed guards for the Jewish schools. And don’t tell me they can’t afford to because it’s certainly cheaper than all the legal fees they spent fighting this guy in court.
It appears you keep posting anything you can pick out of your hat.
Why can’t you admit that the Yeshivos and Frum Girl schools are very much part of this Chillul Hashem? It’s Not just this one Nut-job.January 10, 2013 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #928868
Health – May I humbly tell you what just happened here in Antwerp about two hours ago? Mr. Nutcase walked into a Jewish grocery store, filled up several shopping bags of food and started walking out the door without paying. The owners ran after him to stop him, and asked him to pay. Do you want to know what his response was??? “Are all your workers here working officially? Be careful! I will call the police to check your workers!” Now, to tell you the truth, I really don’t want to continue posting on this subject. You don’t seem to want to hear, really hear, what Antwerp is really worried about! What problems he can do for the community as a whole. I do not want it to come to “I told you so.” Please, if you can’t understand it by now, you never will.January 10, 2013 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #928869kasherParticipant
His children are unfortunately simple pawns in his twisted life. It is a tremendous nebech on them. I think that I had one of his children in my home (without the knowledge then of who she was- A chesed through a school in NY she was at at the time)for about a month last summer- serious personal issues to say the least.January 10, 2013 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #928870a mirrerParticipant
just btw ask rabbanim about stealing from the goverment when theyre not in public and not recordedJanuary 11, 2013 12:09 am at 12:09 am #928871
This thread is not about stealing. Every one has something to hide. and even if you don’t, you still don’t want officials doing an audit and digging into your business. It’s about a crazy man manipulating society around him in the most horrible way to get what he wants at all costs. I don’t know if the following is true or not but I heard why he ran away from the States. Some guys bundled him up and took him to the river and told him that if he is not out of the country within 48 hours, he will be “sleeping with the fish.” He then stole someones credit card, charged all his tickets on it and left.
Yes, it is very sad that the kids suffer and I am sure he sees it, but he seems not to care about that.January 11, 2013 12:35 am at 12:35 am #928872
He can be dealt with. First you need a real heter from a real Bais Din to get him imprisoned for a long time. If you have that, then you should be able to hire 2-3 agents from the intelligence-terrorism community to dig up his past. Someone who meets with Iran’s president and attends Arab terrorist rallies, must have connections with outlawed terror groups. He must have taken money from them. This money would not have been reported in tax filings and that means tax-evasion. This is one way the US government deals with the mob.
Perhaps he may have even done some illegal acts himself. This needs real digging which could be done by ex-intelligence agents with access to this type of information.
If Bais Din gives a heter, have some lawyers present this to the appropriate government for legal action. Once he is arrested and put away, he can be neutralized. This can only be done with a real heter; since we know what this could mean. We are JEWS first and foremost.January 11, 2013 8:31 am at 8:31 am #928873
He lives in Belgium, not America. It doesn’t operate the same way.January 11, 2013 10:18 am at 10:18 am #928874
lost in Europe -“Now, to tell you the truth, I really don’t want to continue posting on this subject.”
“You don’t seem to want to hear, really hear, what Antwerp is really worried about! What problems he can do for the community as a whole. I do not want it to come to “I told you so.” Please, if you can’t understand it by now, you never will.”
You for some reason believe that e/o anywhere are his victims. If you break the law -there will be consequences. How abow advocating that “Frum” Yidden in NY, Antwerp, elsewhere, stop breaking the laws of the countries we live in? If I owned a store and s/o came in to steal -he would be arrested. You keep making it out that it’s alright for store owners to break laws and they are this guy’s victims.
I don’t see the difference between this guy who steals from stores & store owners who steal from the Gov. by not paying taxes and hiring illegal workers!
“Yes, it is very sad that the kids suffer and I am sure he sees it, but he seems not to care about that.”
Who cares that he doesn’t care? The question is how come the Yeshivos and Bais Yaacovs/Girl schools don’t care about the kids?
All your posts defending the people who have gone against this guy have just reiterated their guilt. By saying he does bad things in no way excuses the “Frum” community from doing bad things!January 11, 2013 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #928875
OK, anyone knows how the first week in school went?January 11, 2013 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #928876DominoParticipant
Health, we are so pleased to hear of your honesty. What tax deductions and which tax form do you give to your cleaning lady who comes once a week?January 11, 2013 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #928877
Domino -“Health, we are so pleased to hear of your honesty. What tax deductions and which tax form do you give to your cleaning lady who comes once a week?”
Mr. Domino – Your sarcasm is duly noted. “Mum Shebechah Al Tomar L’chaveiro.”
FYI, I don’t have a cleaning lady. And btw, forget about the Countries’ laws for a minute – did you ever hear of “Dina D’malchusa Dina”?
And if you ever want to do Teshuva on this -you can have your house cleaned legally. There is something called Cleaning services, all you do is pay them for the service, just like you hire any service that comes to your house, eg. Plumber.
You don’t have to worry about taxes or anything, that’s their responsibility.
Of course you’ll have to Pay more than hiring your own Goyta.January 12, 2013 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #928878
Health, you might not have a cleaning lady right now, but I’m sure you had one when you were married, so don’t pretend to be holier than thou.
Mr Friedman is a dangerous psychopath, so stop portraying good Jews as villains.January 13, 2013 4:51 am at 4:51 am #928880
moi aussi -“Health, you might not have a cleaning lady right now, but I’m sure you had one when you were married, so don’t pretend to be holier than thou.”
First of all, most of the time we didn’t have one. Second of all, who says I’m responsible for what she did, like who she hired to clean?
“Mr Friedman is a dangerous psychopath, so stop portraying good Jews as villains.”
You seem to have a knack of how to twist peoples’ words. I just said I have no mercy on people who don’t pay taxes. I don’t think this makes them into villains, but I don’t consider you and others who cheat on taxes as “good Jews” either!January 14, 2013 9:02 am at 9:02 am #928881
Health, it’s no use having a discussion with you, because one can’t convince an oiberchuchem of his foolishness.
The discussion is about a man who threatens and blackmails Jews. Instead of offering advice how to deal with him, you’re saying that if Jews were honest and paid taxes and didn’t hire illegal workers, the psychopath wouldn’t have a weapon, right?
Well, you’re wrong, an abuser will always find victims. One doesn’t deal with an abuser by telling the victims to make sure they remain unfound. One locks up an abuser, and throws away the key.January 14, 2013 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #928882
Moi aussi, Thank you! I thought something was wrong with ME! You do understand what I am trying to say. Yes, it is very sad that the children are suffering. But those people who have tried to help them in the past were punished by him. It is criminal what he is doing to nine neshamas. Hashem should have rachmunis on them and get them out of this situation as soon as possible. Maybe have a bus hit him.January 14, 2013 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #928883
Do the boys still attend the school?
I for one would have taken out my girls from that school.January 14, 2013 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #928884
moi aussi -“Health, it’s no use having a discussion with you, because one can’t convince an oiberchuchem of his foolishness.”
“Kol Hapoisel B’momo Poisel”. I might be a Chachum, but not an Oiberchuchem!
“The discussion is about a man who threatens and blackmails Jews. Instead of offering advice how to deal with him, you’re saying that if Jews were honest and paid taxes and didn’t hire illegal workers, the psychopath wouldn’t have a weapon, right?”
Ya’see it would actually help to read My posts before you comment on them. I did say how to deal with him.
“If I owned a store and s/o came in to steal -he would be arrested.” I also said buy weapons for self-defense.
The guy who is “Lost in Europe” said they can’t call the cops because then the cops will get after them. So to this I replied –
“And the shopkeepers that steal from the Gov. – I have no mercy on them.”
So the simple solution is to have the store owners to start keeping the laws -so they can lock this guy up and take away his kids from him! Stop with to survive they can’t pay taxes.
Stealing is stealing – whether it’s this guy Freidman or the store owners.January 14, 2013 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #928885
I agree, nobody steal from friedmans store.January 14, 2013 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #928886
We have to deal with REALITY. and not UTOPIA. and not how the world SHOULD be.January 15, 2013 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #928887snowbunny3318Member
I agree. This situation is ridiculous. By the way, this is a more extreme situation of a similar story I know of includung a Jew… But I won’t post it here
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