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“(NK) Jews condemning the Zionist attack on Iran and calling for “Hands Off Iran” at a protest in Unionsquare, NYC, on Saturday, March 7, 2026”
We might surmise that NK’s Moslem handlers overlooked the fact that religious Jews would not protest on Shabbos, nor would they protest against a war to defeat the most powerful Islamic terrorist regime in the world.
The evidence has becoming overwhelming that NK has accepted “allah” as their god and Mohamed Y”S as their prophet.
How long can Satmar and NK apologists continue their fake facade that NK is a religious Jewish group?
To the NK, Anti-Zionism is the most important “mitzvah” in the entire Torah. To have an all encompassing “hashkafa” that’s based on hating other Jews and the Land of Israel, is actually quite sad. They must have miserable lives and be very depressing, to be around. I feel sorry for their wives and children.
Neturei Karta in the US and UK is about as Jewish as Jews for Jesus. Even assuming its members all have Jewish parents (which I don’t), they are secular/cultural Muslims who do not practice Judaism. I reiterate my questions about these people, copied and pasted below from a thread this past September:
I have the same question about Neturei Karta, although it does also apply to our resident trolls. How do we know they are Jewish? They’re definitely on Iranian and Qatari payrolls, but are they even Jewish?
Take some of its leaders, such as “Rabbis” Yisroel Dovid Weiss, Dovid Feldman, Yitzchok Deutsch, or any of its other prominent stochastic terrorists. Does anyone know who they are and where they come from?
Take a shul in Turkiye, for example. These shuls do exist, although not under the best of circumstances, so if you show up there unannounced, don’t know anyone, and have never communicated with them before, they’ll want assurance you don’t pose a threat. Generally in such circumstances, they’d ask you to recite a prayer in Hebrew to demonstrate your likelihood of being Jewish.
Meanwhile, Weiss and friends protest publicly on Shabbos. There’s a video of someone asking them if they know Aleinu, or one of several other prayers. They do not know it, which makes it all the more suspicious.
The main suspicion, though, is where they come from. Does anyone know of a firsthand source saying they knew any of its prominent members before joining? In which case, a few questions:
1) Who were Yisroel Dovid Weiss’s parents? Names please; referring to them as “Hungarian-born Holocaust survivors” is way too generic and doesn’t answer the question. Or any of these rabble rousers, who are they?
2) Which yeshiva did any of them go to? Which shul did their parents attend?
3) What were their jobs before NK? No prominent member of that terrorist organization has become prominent before age 40+. What did they do before that, and how did they get connected with NK?My criticisms and doubts apply primarily to the branches in the US and UK. The Meah Shearim branch (e.g. Toldos Aharon and affiliated groups) is certainly Jewish, and their opposition to Zionism is more based on Messianic eschatology than politics. But for the ones based in Monsey and Stamford Hill, it’s mighty suspicious. So I ask, does anyone know the origins of these people?
They go on Shabbos all the time. They paste their signs on themselves – for Reshoim they are quite frum you know.
@RightJew (wrong Zionist)
Anyone with a basic knowledge of halacha knows that pikuach nefesh is docheh the Shabbos.
NK is perfectly Jewish, though most if not all rabbis might not permit some of NK’s methods.
NK is certainly far more religious/closer to G-d than is any Zionist, as Zionism is literally idolatry and heresy and aims to destroy (and has already done much destruction of) Judaism and replace it with Zionism, while NK aims to save Jewish lives.
To fix the quote in your post, “The evidence has becoming overwhelming that [any Zionist – as opposed to an anti-Zionist – criticizing NK] has accepted [Zionism] as their god and prophet.RightJew asked, “How long can Satmar and NK apologists continue their fake facade that NK is a religious Jewish group?”?
HaKatan was considerate enough to provide us with an answer quickly!micro,
Once again you defend your Nazi Kapo buddies and ignore the fact they don’t even keep Shabbos.
How typical, since you and they only have one commandment from your false god of anti-Zionism!
So they hold of the eiruv and they skipped minyan. Big deal.
To the group
Why do we waste our time talking about these nuts? Let them do what they want. It’s best to ignore such trash.
They do protest on Shabbos. I saw a video of what they do in London. As far as not knowing Aleinu.
They tie their signs to themselves when they walk (around 3 hours each way so you at least need to appreciate their sacrifice and dedication to the cause as misguided as it is) so they are “Wearing” not “Carrying” them.
So they don’t know Aleinu (& I have no idea if what they do with the signs is Kosher) but they do understand the concepts of carrying on Shabbos, Eruv & turning an item into something worn so it can be moved on Shabbos without an Eruv?
Highly unlikely.
p.s. If someone asked me as a very religious looking Jew to prove I’m religious by saying Aleinu, I wouldn’t do it either.@chiefshmerel
Put emotions to the side for a second:
Besides for the act of transporting the signs on Shabbat, which I have actually asked a few normal main stream poskim about, and it is not 100% clear that is chillul shabbat since they literally wear them, but still arguably could be an issue,1. There is not any single act of theirs which you can halachically point out and say that goes against so-and-so halacha.
2. Before we go around negating (or “questioning”) others yichus, remember a serious chazal- haposel bemumo posel. When Gedolim have gotten up and made statements about any group or individual that’s one thing (like when the Chafetz Chayim said the zionists are mizera amalek as stated by Rav Wasserman ztz”l), they have the Ruach Hakodesh and right to state such grave things, as they represent the Torah.
3. you asked about the yichus of these people, well I do not personally know all of them but do know at least one of them personally, and happen to know a bit about the others. Rabbi Feldmans mother was a Gertner, who’s parents was the family that took in Yossele Shu[ch]macher. He himself descends from the Feldman family from what I know- a family traditionally belonging to the Malachim community (today more or less affiliated with Satmar) who were a branch of Chabad that kind of detached from Lubavitch already in the days of the Riyatz, but mainly when the late (or current if you like) Lubavitcher Rebbe took over.
Rabbi Weiss comes from the Weiss family a very well known Jewish family, of which there are many branches, most today in Satmar, but some in other Chassidic communities (it is by now a very large extended family).
I believe (not 100%) that he is from the branch of the Weiss family that left/ran away from Eretz Yisrael after it was taken over, fleeing the religious persecution, and ultimately their patriarch left a will asking his descendants not to ever travel to the medinah (which many Satmar Chassidim follow anyhow).This Yitzchok Deutsch i do not know.
@pure_yiddishkeit
Weiss has nothing to do with EY. He’s a litvishe boy from Flatbush who lost his mind.
So, the simplest way to stop such demonstrations is to invalidate the eruv? Just do it before the time of mothers taking kids to shul.
PS Presenting one witness is a chapter in hilchos loshon horo. If you don’t have two witnesses – do not present info, go home.
pure > Chafetz Chayim said the zionists are mizera amalek as stated by Rav Wasserman ztz”l)
it seems from your writing that we do not have any other source for such an opinion by Ch. Ch. despite him authoring so many seforim, articles, and private letters. Any explanations? He did not trust anyone except his favorite student?
@GadolHadofi:
As usual, you are so busy foaming at the mouth against Jews that you didn’t bother to read the very first line I posted there.BL”N, until you post in a rational manner, and you apologize for speaking falsely against me, please do not expect any response other than Refuah sheleimah bimheirah.
Dear Pure,
1. There are a good many issues here besides for carrying out on Shabbos. Black and white halachos.
2. Those with Ruach Hakodesh are opposed to NK. There is no outcry like with the isms of a century ago because NK is more a nuisance then a threat to Yiddishkeit. very few capable people get caught up with NK.
3. Something is wrong with their whole perspective. This is far-out BT type behavior. I think that was the idea behind Chiefshmerel’s outburst.
micro,
Your very first line was: “Anyone with a basic knowledge of halacha knows that pikuach nefesh is docheh the Shabbos.”.
Attempting to whitewash your Nazi Kapo buddies with such an ignorant, twisted argument demonstrates once again that you and your quisling mob slavishly worship only the false god of anti-Zionism.
I fully disagree with NK – both their actions and what they stand for.
That being said, we should not be calling them “goyim.” They are Jews.
Criticize them for their actions. Do not make up lies or use inaccurate terms about them.
The Wolf
@pekak,
Thanks for the clarification.
@Always_Ask_Questions,
Rav Wasserman writes it in his sefer Yalkut Ma’amarim Umichtavim, the Chafetz Chayims own grandson Rav Saks repeated it many times as well.Kuvult: Sure, I understand your point about not acknowledging the question to say a tefillah. It’s not a criticism on its own, just an accessory since NK very publicly goes against the tide. Scrutiny is fair when they make themselves so public. I note your point that if you don’t go against the tide (especially to this extent), you don’t owe an answer for such questions.
PY: I’m curious what the first name and lifetime was of the Weiss patriarch you mention who left EY. Thanks for the info on the Feldman family! Once again, my questioning their yichus is an accessory and not the criticism itself. My question was not rhetorical and I’m happy to hear details of their births into Jewish families. That said, I stand by my comparison of them with Jews for Jesus: Born to Jewish parents but extremely misguided and practicing something other than Judaism.“Anyone with a basic knowledge of halacha knows that pikuach nefesh is docheh the Shabbos.”
This rational was used for Jews in America to work on Shabbos until 95 years ago. Even though they were wealthier then most Jews throughout the rest of the world. NK saved nobody with this protest. They did it to satisfy their own rationales.
לֹ֣א תוֹסִ֗יפוּ הָבִיא֙ מִנְחַת־שָׁ֔וְא קְטֹ֧רֶת תּוֹעֵבָ֛ה הִ֖יא לִ֑י חֹ֤דֶשׁ וְשַׁבָּת֙ קְרֹ֣א מִקְרָ֔א לֹא־אוּכַ֥ל אָ֖וֶן וַעֲצָרָֽה
n0> This rational was used for Jews in America to work on Shabbos until 95 years ago.
I heard the following story from Canada. The person who told the story said that he saw a person who was always coming to shul on shabbos, sat in his coat in the back of the room, did not talk to anyone, and left at the end of davening. His story: he lost his job during great depression and only found one that required working on shabbos and he had a family to support. He minimized what he could: walked to the job pretty far away, at the end stayed until shkiya to return, etc. After he eventually found another job, he came back to shul, but put cherem on himself for being mechalel shabbos and sat in that corner for a couple of decades already, despite pleading from the kahal and the rav.
pure, so you still have one source – R Wasserman.
I do not understand how with so much written by and about him, Chofetz Chaim never revealed himself to other people; or other people never reported that. So, if we can’t resolve this enigma, maybe you can compile statements from rabbis who had opposite opinion and we can see if those are more or less trustworthy. And it will be a good exercise for you.There is no rational reason to make absurd comparisons between working on Shabbos decades ago, on the one hand, versus walking around some plaza, on the other hand. And no reason to be motzi laaz on all those people who faced the pressure of feeding and housing their families.
You are entitled to your opinion on the efficacy of NK’s protests. So are they. But people are not entitled to call them “goyim” and other names as a result of their (biased and unknowing) opinions. People should be thanking them for showing the world the truth that Jews are not to be blamed for anything the Zionists do.
The sad reality is that half of the Jewish nation subscribes to liberal secular democracy the other half of observant Jews on one level or another bought into Satmar ideology that wipes the Mitzvos of conquering and settling Eretz Yisroel out of the Torah. There are only a small fraction of Torah true Jews left in the world who still believe in all 613 mitzvos without exception includind the Mitzvos of conquering and settling Eretz Yisroel. Shimon and Levi today would have to belong to the small fraction who unfortunately are the most hunted today by the Israeli secular government. The Israeli GSS or Shabak has a special “Jewish department” who hunt and persecute anyone suspected of belonging to these true Jews. At one of the Otzma Yehudi rallies Rabbi Dov Lior encouraged the group not to worry about their popularity as also in Yetzias Mizrayim it says וחמושים עלו בני ישראל ממצרים only a small fraction merited to leave as the others were not worthy… By Mechiras Yosef and the Meraglim the Majority were wrong and the minority were right… Avraham Avinu was a Yachid vs many as was Moshe Rabenu, Yosef Hatzadik, Dovid Hamelech, Yirmiyah Hanavi, Yeshaya Hanavi, Mordechai Hatzadik, Matisyahu Kohen Gadol and more… At the end of the day in the Torah we find being afraid to conquer Eretz Yisroel is the sin of the Meraglim, going to conquer when it is not the time is the sin of the Maapilim. What it all depends on is if Hashem is commanding to do it now or not. The fact that we have no system of appointing legitimate Rabbis to a Sanhedrin or some sort of supreme Rabbinical court is the main churban of our times. All we have are way to many groups each claiming they and their Rabbis are the truth and all the others and their Rabbis are invalid.
These are not the real NK. Reb Amram zt”l would have thrown them out.
And Satmar always opposed NK even when it was the real thing. They did not agree with Reb Amram, because he didn’t accept the Eidah’s authority and insisted on doing his own thing.
There’s another misconception about the Neturei Karta group. They claim to be on one page with Satmar. Nothing can be further from the truth. Even though Satmar likewise believes that the current government & entity of an independent state in Eretz Yisrael is illegal. But that’s where the comparison ends. Satmar & the old Satmar Rebbi R’ Joel, Teitelbaum Zt”L never spoke about Palestinian rights to E.Y. He was always cognizant of the fact the Jews have & maintain an eternal right to E.Y. So do his followers.
As a matter of fact he never permitted his Chassidim to stand at the same platform with the Arab demonstrators. And when that happened he called off his own demonstration. To avoid the appearance of being of the same mindset as the Arabs.Y are you all asking if NK leader is Jewish
Here are some facts.
yisroel Dovid weiss lived in Boro park not flatbush. I knew him when we were both 15 years old. His parents were Hungarian survivors
We both used to go to a local karate school which was run by an instructor affiliated with Meir kahanes Jewish Defense league. Of course they are religious you see them davening mincha every year after they protest the Israeli parade while most marchers in the Israeli parade dont daven at all.micro,
Nobody owes you or your Nazi Kapo besties any thanks whatsoever for blatant chillul shabbos and treasonous behavior. Your ignorant, twisted arguments defending them demonstrate once again that you and your quisling mob slavishly worship only the false god of anti-Zionism.
You all deserve the same ignoble fate and flaming eternity as your dead hero, Ali Khamenei!
@Duvidf
Let’s fix that:
The sad reality is that much of the Jewish people has been fooled by Zionist shmad including about “conquering the land” which is forbidden when in galus, including by the Ramban, as the Satmar Rav discusses. No Torah giant throughout the ages ever attempted to conquer the land because – even according to the Ramban, of course – it is forbidden to do so in galus. It might be an optional mitzvah to live there, but that’s about it.
@rightjew (and refuah sheleimah to @GadolHaDofi)
As posted above, the point the NK are obviously trying to make is that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do, so gentiles should not harm Jews if they happen to have a problem with the latest of the forever Zionist wars. The NK obviously feels that marching in this manner is an effective way to convey that point. In other words, they are trying to help Jews.You’re welcome to disagree with the efficacy of that approach. But you’re not welcome to call them names.
(You should be thanking them for their efforts, as they could very possibly have saved Jewish lives by doing that. If even only one crazy guy saw that on TV or YT and then reconsidered his blaming all Jews for anything the Zionists did, then NK will have been successful in their efforts, despite that rabbanim would have told them not to do it.)
You are entitled to your opinion on the efficacy of NK’s protests. So are they. But people are not entitled to call them “goyim” and other names as a result of their (biased and unknowing) opinions. People should be thanking them for showing the world the truth that Jews are not to be blamed for anything the Zionists do.
Dear Hakatan,
1) Pikuach Nefashos is not a rational to pretend a protest or increase ones wealth. Glad we got that out of the way. It was their choice to attend, not that they were compelled by halachah.
2) The outrage of the OP is that this took place on Shabbos. May other observant yidden attend rallies both for and against issues that align with Zionism. Many groups of yidden organize these rallies for their own followers. None of them are on Shabbos. No matter how important the issues, on Shabbos we retreat from this world and acknowledge that it is being run by it’s Creator. Whether attending these rallies are a violation of meleches shabbos or not is besides the point. A yid on Shabbos is one with his Maker and leaves the world’s burdens behind in the Erev Shabbos Mikvah. This is a strong critique of where NK’s worldview has diverged from the Torah’s Outlook.
3) Your ‘motzei laaz’ comment is weird. Those yidden worked on Shabbos based on an outlook that was wrong. In their own lifetimes they saw that they were in the wrong. Some like the story from AAQ publicly blamed themselves for it. And they wiped out their own generations. Almost none had even frum teenage children.
4) Don’t take my opinion. Nobody in the world is swayed by NK sputtering attempts to mimic coherent rationales. Their words are only used by those that already have strong opinions on these issues. Fodder for fools.
5) NK is looked at as less than assimilated Jews because of the serious disconnect of attending a meaningless rally on Shabbos. See point # 2.
6) How does NK show that Jews are not to be blamed for what Zionist do? On the contrary, every NK I’ve ever met spouts as the founding axiom of NK that if I don’t join their protest I’m responsible for everything Zionism does. The jabber to us that we are all gentile-marrying, pork-eating, cremation-supporting, immoral-seeking, anti-religious wannabees because they found some Zionists that fit that caricature.
7) You tied yourself in quite the knot here. Nobody should call out what NK is doing publicly on Shabbos because they can decide for themselves. As if some Jews don’t reflect on the integrity of all Jews. Yet, NK is “showing the world that Jews are not to be blamed for anything the Zionists do.” As if some Jews are a reflection on the positions of all Jews. One would think a basic idea of public protest on Shabbos would be more applicable to Jews at large then the decisions of a known political entity and State.
Milhouse and Sketchmaster II are correct. These people have no connection with the historical NK, which itself was independent of Satmar.
AAQ – Rav Elchonon Wasserman was by all accounts a Talmid Muvhak of the Chofetz Chaim, and very careful with his words.
If their whole thing is that it is assur to be מורד באומות העולם, then how do they protest against the USA and for a foreign power (Iran) hostile to the USA? That creates the exact same complaint of “dual loyalty” they accuse Israel of creating.
NK obviously believes that attending this protest on Shabbos was the right thing to do, presumably because of pikuach nefesh.
As stated, you’re welcome to argue that with them or to post your opinion that it was not necessary, etc.
But not to call them goyim for doing what they consider to be perfectly permitted and, in fact, even required (pikuach nefesh).The only knot tied here seems to be your long rambling post.
The bottom line is we should give credit to Neturei karta. I remember them walking to a protest in Turkey with their streimels on their heads as military vehicles with machine guns pass them. They have a lot of guts. Young israel type people don’t understand their deep activism. I as an extreme right wing Ben gevir supporter understand Neturei karta and i dont get bent out of shape like the modern type Jews. NK serves a purpose that is very useful on the same level as the Mossad. I personally know reb Weiss and he is moser nefesh. I could never be in his shoes and be harassed wherever he goes. It takes emunah and strength to be in his shoes. I envy his chelek leoylom Habah. You have to look at their motivations to understand their courage. Yes Satmar has anti Zionist views but their motivations are different. I could convince anyone that Neturei karta is a righteous group but I won’t do it in public as all types of people read this material. Hamaven yovin
HaKatan said this on 2025 November 18 at 4:36 pm:
“And the belief in a divinely-ordained exile that can only
be ended by the Messiah, is in fact,
a core foundational principle of Judaism.”__________________________________________
MY RESPONSE:Congratulations!
You just created a FALSE Ikar Emunah!
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PS: What Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman said about Secular Zionism
100 years ago is NO LONGER RELEVANT,
because it was said 100 years ago.The Neturei Karta are much worse than “Korach and his band of rebels”,
because Korach challenged the leadership of Moshe Rabbeinu ZTL ZYA,
but Korach NEVER wanted to kill even one Jew.The Neturei Karta pursue evil policies that are
designed to cause GENOCIDE against ALL JEWS.Therefore, the Neturei Karta are much worse than “Korach and his band of rebels”.
you wrote “These people have no connection with the historical NK”. I’m not sure where you get that nonsense. The NK in the USA was led by Rav Moshe Ber Beck ztz”l who was a talmid of Rav Amram Blau ztz”l. Rav Beck was recognized amongst the charedi leadership of EY, USA, and UK as a gaon and gadol b’Torah and was not only the innovator of the modern-day NK activism as non-Jewish rallies, he was in his own life very outspoken about his position of which he wrote and published extensive seforim elaborating the Torah that girds his psak.
I never saw NK say anything negative or politically sided to their host country. not in US, UK, or Iran. Can you please point me to ANY protest by anyone in NK against the US or in support of any foreign government over their current location?
Dear Hakatan,
I made some concise points. On this thread I left the rambling to others.
The pikuach nefesh argument is silly. The ‘goyim’ epithet is not an assault on their lineage. It is being used as one who doesn’t understand what Shabbos is all about.
“Welcome to argue with them” is quite the contrast to “people should be thanking them”. A more blatant knot.
Dear Flatbush,
If NK has guts why do they run away from honest arguments?
I don’t really understand them and I don’t get all the bashing either.
They aren’t righteous to my eyes because they can’t validate their rationale.
@RightJew
As mentioned, the Satmar Rav addresses this. Your refusal to consider that is not justification for claiming anybody is falsifying the Torah. While on the topic, though, Zionism is a complete denial of the Torah, and “Religious Zionism” is idolatry and religion “biShutfus” as per Rav Elchonon.@Yaakov Yosef A
Interesting you mention it, that is a point I have raised a few times when I met some of these people who attend those marches.
They did not really provide a proper answer, I can tell you one thing, hashkafa is hashkafa, but there is a whole 613 mitzvot and its halachot surrounding them, and forgetting that, concentrating on one single mitzva is never gonna get the person somewhere good.I know some of these people who live fully according to the Torah in everything, are engaged in Gemilut Chassadim, helping all kinds, many times people who are perceived as their enemies, but they don’t care, because the in accordance with the same Torah they believe instructs them to go to these marches, also tells them to bend over backwards for others, etc etc, like Rav Amram ztk”ll was. However there are others as well, who do not fully understand what they are doing, the repercussions and reasoning, and I have tried explaining more than once to them that Miredah B’umot HaOlam is not just an averah the zionists commit, anytime an action like a protest (besides for when the protest is about Yiddishkeit, which as all our Gedolim have said was not included in the Gezerat HaGalut), class action against the government etc, that is all meridah.
Thing is, they are sometimes do fired up, they don’t even hear you….
@FlatbushYid, interesting you note that about Neturei Karta,
I can personally attest to the fact that Weiss and the others who travelled to Iran, when everyone was blowing at them for going to the funeral of the president, no one stopped to ask how they managed to get there so quickly. They were there a few days before already, having picked themselves up, away from their families and travelled to Iran to try and help the Iranian Bachur, which actually was nearly sorted, before other well meaning misguided people mixed in telling Weiss he should threaten Iran he will stop being against zionism if he does not free the bachur (absurd as it sounds).This amongst many other occasions I know of, in which NK and their people engaged in selfless acts, which could be done only because of their stance.
Like you said, no matter on the disagreements and dislikes, credit is due to them in places.Neutorei karta a bunch of blind sheeple
I think they are a living example of what happens when you fallow the crowd and don’t think for yourself.
I saw them somewhere and I felt very bad for them
You can see on their faces how much of extreme fallowers they are. How they sell themselves for their ideologies and have no self. It’s sad.The bottom line is that these Nazi Kapos deserve no credit whatsoever for slavishly worshiping their fake god of anti-Zionism. Some may even have yichus but they’re no different from Abba Sikra who was responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews and the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash, despite being the Gadol Hador’s nephew.
These traitorous animals prove how dangerous and despicable they are by marching with the world’s worst anti-Semites on Shabbos. They’re not brave or helpful but hateful and destructive. They need to be rejected and excommunicated by all Jews.
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