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  • #2481123
    commonsaychel
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    I noticed a few new fads, I would not call them mihagim because that would be based on misorah.
    One is giving of free food [not a yartzit seduah] on the yartzit of the Bas Ayin and R Shaya, other being the Chanukah parades and lighting the menorah in the malls, city halls etc. Anyone other new fads that people noticed?

    #2481495
    pekak
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    Food on a yartzeit is so people should make a Bracha le’ilui nishmas the tzaddik.

    I don’t speak for Chabad so I can’t comment on your second issue.

    #2481554

    Food on yohrtzeit seems to be a sephardi thing, except that they do not call it “yohr” or “tzeit” of course

    #2481640
    commonsaychel
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    @pekak, i know the concept of why people shtel tikkun etc. I am taking about the new fad of giving a away sandwich’s,, soda etc etc on the bas ayin and reb shayalahs yurtiz

    #2481761
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    BH we live in plentiful times

    Menorah lighting in malls isn’t so new

    #2482133
    pekak
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    @commonsaychel

    There is no difference between tikkun or a sandwich. It’s about making a bracha.

    #2484422
    Rocky
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    Better to define what you mean by a fad. The second half of your question seems to be just an attack on Chabad, which has not spread beyond Chabad and can not be called a fad.
    A better question would be how certain actions have evolved into common practice amongst many in the Bnei Torah community. Any of the following examples are debatable but certainly worthy of discussion

    saying shanyim mikra of parshas hamon on Tues of parshas beshalach
    visiting the gadol of the day for a photo op
    asking questions to a gadol you have never met before for a personal issue for 20 second answer
    expecting monetary support for a young couple, regardless of the financial needs of the couple or the financial strain on the parents
    drinking alcohol on simchas Torah
    mispronunciation of common Jewish terms (Chal Hamoed, shalach manos, chanuka mesiba)

    add your own

    #2484667
    commonsaychel
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    saying shanyim mikra of parshas hamon on Tues of parshas beshalach MINHAG GOES BACK TO THE SHALOH
    visiting the gadol of the day for a photo op FB
    asking questions to a gadol you have never met before for a personal issue for 20 second answer FB
    expecting monetary support for a young couple, regardless of the financial needs of the couple or the financial strain on the parents GOES BACK TO EUROPE, IT WAS CALLED ZITEN OF KEST
    drinking alcohol on simchas Torah GOES BACK 100S OF YEARS

    #2484697
    pekak
    Participant

    @Rocky

    The mispronunciations are Yinglish.

    #2484755

    common > expecting monetary support for a young couple, regardless of the financial needs of the couple or the financial strain on the parents GOES BACK TO EUROPE

    supporting by those who want to have a learning son in law – YES,
    building an extra room in the house for the new couple to live in – YES
    expecting parents’ support for full expenses – NO

    #2484756

    Rocky> asking questions to a gadol you have never met before for a personal issue for 20 second answer

    previous minhag was to send a shailah with detailed description – usually not by the person himself, but by a local rov who can describe halachik issues involved.

    what is new – asking questions about personal life rather than halocha from the rav who does not know you.

    #2485190
    Rocky
    Participant

    1) for those who say saying shanyim mikra of parshas hamon on Tues of parshas beshalach is centiries old: It could be that mekor in some obscure sefer os centuries old, but ask ANYONE if they know people who did this 40 years ago.. IF 99.9% of bnei Torah did not, that qualifies it as new.

    2) My point about expecting monetary support for a young couple, regardless of the financial needs, I think was misunderstood. Yes, it may have been an accepted practice by some who continued learning after marriage. First of all, the number of couples who did that was minimal. But even so…

    A) The expectation was not as strong as today. It was understood that if you were a wealthy family, you could afford it, and if not, not. Today it has become the norm to ask for it from wealthy and not wealthy families

    B) The goal of monetary support was to provide for basic necessities without which the couple could not live/stay in learning. Today, it has evolved into something else, which can only be described as a luxurious fad.

    For example. A couple getting married and settling down in Lakewood, the wife can find a job with zero skills for $50-60k. The husband can pull another $15k from the kollel and it is still likely they will qualify for government programs. Even if the guy does not work a side gig or two on the side, they can comfortably get by for 5-6 years. Expecting or demanding support on top of that is strange but common.

    Consider this: Would you find it odd if a girl in shdduchim is making $80k a year and she is still asked by prospective boys, “How much will your PARENTS support?”

    3) The entire concept of how non-chasidim treat gedolim is complelty new and was clearly borrowed from the Chasidim (which is itself only less than 250 years old

    4) one more new fad: HUGE streimels. Today’s streimels are about 3 times the size of the old ones. For a group that prides itself on wearing tarditional garb that seems a bit odd and could qualify as a new fad

    #2485192
    Rocky
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    One more new fad. Boys’ mommies controlling who they date. Ask an old timer if in Slaboka all suggetsed shidduchim had to first go through the mother or if it was OK to suggest a shiduch directly to a man looking to get married. True, it could be that many men would discuss a possible shiduch with their parents, but the process and the decision was based on the man, not his mommy.

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