New Laws and Disobedience: A Hypothethical Situation — Your Opinion

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  • #2501551
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    The federal government in whatever country you reside in passes new legislation that in order to raise any child, including your own, you must take and pass a course in child rearing.

    First of all, would you go ahead and take the course?

    Second of all, if someone doesn’t take the course and subsequently their child tragically breaks out of the house and runs in the street and is run over by a passing vehicle, how is the illegal guardian, the parent, regarded? Murderers? Negligent homicide? Manslaughter? First degree? Second? Third?

    Third of all, what if the above scenario occurred in a place where the government never passed such a law? How is the parent regarded?

    #2502654
    ujm
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    Jewish law doesn’t require following such an absurd law. (Especially considering they’d be training on non-Jewish values for child rearing.)

    If someone doesn’t take the course, regardless of what happens subsequently, has no bearing whatsoever on how the parent is regarded.

    #2502703
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    I think it obvious to any Torah educated Jew that they should never take such a government course (unless that “government”, if you can call it such, is the nuvi Melech Hamoshiach)

    #2502718

    Many Rabbis, in person and in writing, actually wondered – why operating machinery requires a license, but parenting does not …

    similarly, answers to the question to parents with a newborn – when can they start learning about parenting – “you are at least 9 months late”.

    To the question of government-required courses: if the courses have useful material about safety, medicine, building codes, basic middos, there should not be problem with that. If there is spiritual/psychological component – it should be evaluated. This is probably similar to public schools that Jews were at time mandated or pressured to go to: you mitigate what is wrong. Possibly, we could develop our own courses and have government approve them as a substitute. In fact, I am not sure why Jews are not leading on this. Great idea!

    #2502719

    books by R Orlowek, for example.

    One hidush from R Orlowek: he was discussing teenagers, and I asked him what is current age bracket for “teenagers”, he said it is a good question and suggested 9 y.o. as a lower bracket ….

    #2502728
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    You pose a situation that can take place in whatever country you live in, but then ask about legal consequences using terms from the American legal system.

    Your entire scenario is faulty and a waste of everyone’s time

    #2503379
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    “but then ask about legal consequences using terms from the American legal system?”
    And therefore what? I’m asking for your opinion (did you READ what I wrote before commenting?). I’m not asking for a sentencing.

    “Your entire scenario is faulty”
    How so?

    “and a waste of everyone’s time”
    certainly an opinion this time.
    Would you prefer I write about my ten houses and limousines and law licenses in four states? That would be a productive use of everyone’s time.

    #2504673
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    @participant

    I have never written about limousines.
    I do my own driving and have done so for about 60 years.

    I posted an opinion not a statement of facts

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