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January 21, 2026 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #2501551ParticipantParticipant
The federal government in whatever country you reside in passes new legislation that in order to raise any child, including your own, you must take and pass a course in child rearing.
First of all, would you go ahead and take the course?
Second of all, if someone doesn’t take the course and subsequently their child tragically breaks out of the house and runs in the street and is run over by a passing vehicle, how is the illegal guardian, the parent, regarded? Murderers? Negligent homicide? Manslaughter? First degree? Second? Third?
Third of all, what if the above scenario occurred in a place where the government never passed such a law? How is the parent regarded?
January 22, 2026 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #2502654ujmParticipantJewish law doesn’t require following such an absurd law. (Especially considering they’d be training on non-Jewish values for child rearing.)
If someone doesn’t take the course, regardless of what happens subsequently, has no bearing whatsoever on how the parent is regarded.
January 23, 2026 10:12 am at 10:12 am #2502703[email protected]Participant@participant
I think it obvious to any Torah educated Jew that they should never take such a government course (unless that “government”, if you can call it such, is the nuvi Melech Hamoshiach)January 23, 2026 10:13 am at 10:13 am #2502718Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantMany Rabbis, in person and in writing, actually wondered – why operating machinery requires a license, but parenting does not …
similarly, answers to the question to parents with a newborn – when can they start learning about parenting – “you are at least 9 months late”.
To the question of government-required courses: if the courses have useful material about safety, medicine, building codes, basic middos, there should not be problem with that. If there is spiritual/psychological component – it should be evaluated. This is probably similar to public schools that Jews were at time mandated or pressured to go to: you mitigate what is wrong. Possibly, we could develop our own courses and have government approve them as a substitute. In fact, I am not sure why Jews are not leading on this. Great idea!
January 23, 2026 10:13 am at 10:13 am #2502719Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantbooks by R Orlowek, for example.
One hidush from R Orlowek: he was discussing teenagers, and I asked him what is current age bracket for “teenagers”, he said it is a good question and suggested 9 y.o. as a lower bracket ….
January 23, 2026 10:13 am at 10:13 am #2502728Ex-CTLawyerParticipantParticipant
You pose a situation that can take place in whatever country you live in, but then ask about legal consequences using terms from the American legal system.
Your entire scenario is faulty and a waste of everyone’s time
January 25, 2026 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #2503379ParticipantParticipant“but then ask about legal consequences using terms from the American legal system?”
And therefore what? I’m asking for your opinion (did you READ what I wrote before commenting?). I’m not asking for a sentencing.“Your entire scenario is faulty”
How so?“and a waste of everyone’s time”
certainly an opinion this time.
Would you prefer I write about my ten houses and limousines and law licenses in four states? That would be a productive use of everyone’s time.January 28, 2026 8:29 am at 8:29 am #2504673Ex-CTLawyerParticipantI have never written about limousines.
I do my own driving and have done so for about 60 years.I posted an opinion not a statement of facts
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