February 28, 2010 6:48 am at 6:48 am #591300
We all loved it at first…our posts get posted automatically.
But with some inappropriate posts getting up here lately, I think many of us want the old system back.
Personally, I’d rather wait longer for posts to get up here as long as they’re screened properly. The way it’s going now will only bring more people to post whatever they feel like.
Anyone else votes to change this system? The mods gotta do something to prevent this from happening in the future…February 28, 2010 6:52 am at 6:52 am #684101
Dear Smartcookie,I understand your feelings on this matter, but I disagree. I think that there are many advantages to the new system, including the fact that one can almost hold a conversation. There are downsides to this instant gratification, of course, as we see in a few of the threads this evening. I can ignore those postings and not let them offend me. Soon, they will be removed by the moderators.
There are unintended consequences to every change, and there’s really only been one abuser that I can see. Perhaps the answer is to ban that person.February 28, 2010 7:11 am at 7:11 am #684102
Ronrsr, ur 100% percent right about it having advantages. I am not in the least bit offended from his posts, my heart is actually aching for him.
Its true about being able to have a conversation this new way, but I hope it doesn’t turn the coffee room into inappropriate posts…(By mistake of course).
Maybe we should wait and see how things go with this new system.February 28, 2010 7:43 am at 7:43 am #684103RoshYeshivahMember
I beliieve the new system is good but stronger rules should be applied . For instance a poster who uses bad language a couple of times should be blocked all together like that ppl who don’t belong here won’t be here.February 28, 2010 7:56 am at 7:56 am #684104
I think a good solution to this new system would be if the mods review all posts very SOON after they were posted. Because all of these inappropriate post were up for hours.
The mods should constantly be on the lookout for new posts and moderate immediately (as soon as possible).February 28, 2010 8:08 am at 8:08 am #684105hodulashemParticipant
i think that with this new “moderating” system (um, what moderating?), the yeshiva world news coffee room can no longer be considered “yeshivish”… in my opinion, anything kosher about this site has just gone down the drain… now anything and everything can be (and is being) posted and it’s really really upsetting… we should all learn to be patient and wait for as long as it takes to get posted rather than read these nasty things being posted instantly… i don’t think we should even give anyone a chance to prove that they need to be banned…February 28, 2010 9:46 am at 9:46 am #684106
yeah i liked it at first but apparently people can never accept a gift without throwing it back in the face of the giver. lets go back to the previous system.February 28, 2010 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #684108dunnoMember
please go back to the old system – otherwise this guy will strike for a 3rd timeFebruary 28, 2010 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #684109AZOI.ISParticipant
Its probably only one person. Isnt there a way to track him/her by email address, etc.?February 28, 2010 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #684110
AZOI: we have a few probs here:
I think that the moderating part has to occur quicker so if something does get up there, it gets deleted ASAP.February 28, 2010 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #684111AZOI.ISParticipant
smartcookie, you’re right. Last night those posts were on for pretty long.February 28, 2010 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #684112
Not as long and not 1/2 as bad as they were on friday.February 28, 2010 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #684113
Ok, first let’s be realistic, the Mods are not sitting at the computer yomam valalyla (I hope), waiting to moderate posts. They DO have a life, presumably. It certainly is easier for them this way. That being said, I think if someone proves to be a problem, there should be a one strike and you’re out policy. The first time an offensive expression is used, as was last night by the same poster, twice, he or she should be blocked from the site. It IS nice to be able to have instantaneous (almost) conversations here, like an IM more than like an e-mail.February 28, 2010 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #684114BEST IMAParticipant
While i agree with you ommis i hear what hodulashem is saying too. It is more convenient to carry on a conversation with the new system but think of how it looked to outsiders last night. Those kind of texes on a frum site?? It was so embarrassing! I didnt see the texes from friday but if there were those kind of texes on friday why wasnt he blocked from posting again last night? Something has to be changed a bit with the new system.February 28, 2010 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #684115SJSinNYCMember
how about a report inappropriate post button which removes the post until a mod can look at it and decide if its kosher or not?February 28, 2010 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #684116
BEST IMA- that’s a very good question. When I saw those horrible posts on friday(and they were a lot worse then last night’s), I figured mistakes happen. But when that same screen name posted yesterday, and was let through I was very surprised. Why wasn’t he blocked IMMEDIATELY?
That had ZERO EXCUSE.
OOMIS- no one expects mods to sit and moderate 24/7, but this is their job after all. They should have some kind of beeping sound to alert a new post and they should moderate ASAP.
These horrible posts were up for hours-fri and yesterday-much too long.February 28, 2010 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #684117hereorthereMember
Part of the problem on this system is not just individual words that are offensive, but wording itself.
It can, and does, happen that regular words are strung together in very offensive ways such as making fun of others or making false accusations about them.February 28, 2010 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #684118
SJS very good ideaFebruary 28, 2010 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #684119
I did not see the posts on Friday for the most part – I was not reading this until last night after the megillah, and it was extremely offensive, but clearly the work of kid who thinks he is smart. The difference between a wise man and a wise guy is maturity and seichel, and it is a pity that the only way this boy can communicate is on such a level, He doesn’t call himself by the user name he chose, by accident. There is obviously a lot of anger there. Chaval meod.March 1, 2010 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #684120
Its a good thing I didn’t post anything since thursday or I’d think this thread was a reference to me.March 1, 2010 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #684121seeallsidesParticipant
you can have an automatic block on certain words – perhaps we should hire the offender to make the list! it’s true that strings of proper words can be put together in a way that is also offensive but as an immediate start, just block the offensive words.March 1, 2010 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #684122
If you had an internet filter wouldn’t it catch inappropriate words or phrases even on a “kosher” site such as YWN? The only filters I use are what is deemed inappropriate by microsoft safe search (which is not that safe). Of course it can’t filter those things that are not correct hashkaficly.
I imagine that the posts in question were not of the variety that contained words that would be bleeped out on the radio, but were rants that were personal attacks against individuals here and the real world. Don’t most people take what is posted online, even on a “kosher” site such as ywn with a huge grain of salt anyway? I didn’t see the questionable posts, but why is everyone all worked up over them? This is cyberspace, not the real world. Take everything you see with a grain of salt.March 1, 2010 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #684123strivingMember
lol jphone. I didn’t see the posts and I’m also pretty curious 😉March 1, 2010 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #684124
Jphone-no they were not attacks against anyone. They were also not words that were offending to anyone. It was plain very dirty context. And if you don’t get it, then forget it, this thread is not for you.
We come to YW because we know we will only read kosher things here. With those posts that were up here, I couldve been watching the latest movie(and not just any movie).
Such behavior will not be tolerated here.March 1, 2010 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #684125
Smartcookie, you obviously feel very strongly about this. Nevertheless, youv’e overstepped your bounds by suggesting what I should or should not comment on.
Perhaps we know different things about YWN or perhaps we assume different things and have different expectations about what we may read about on YWN. My expectation about any blog or user generated content site – even a moderated one with the word yeshiva in its title – is that one never knows what he will read. Do you believe that even under the “old system” every single item posted was read?March 1, 2010 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #684126HaLeiViParticipant
SJS’s idea is exactly what I had mind. Perhaps there can be more than one system in place. For example, some users will have to wait for moderation, or only some won’t. This can be decided on by a little icon at each post that everyone can vote. Other forums have such a system in place to give someone credit as a good poster. (I’m refering to programming forums. I don’t read non-frum blogs.)
This can be along side a word filter and a report button.March 1, 2010 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #684127
JPHONE:”Nevertheless, youv’e overstepped your bounds by suggesting what I should or should not comment on”
First of all Please don’t take my words so personal.
Second of all, while I know every post is not so carefully scrutinized here,I still believe that mods scan each post for inappropriate context, because overall we only have kosher news here.
Please don’t make a whole issue out of this. There was some very inapproriate conversations here so I was trying to see if any other posters dislike this new moderating system.
I’m not a mod and I can’t change the system, nor do the mods use me as their consultant.
It was just a conversation to hear others’ opinion on this matter.
Ill be very happy if they go back to their old, stricter way of not posting before they moderate, but that doesn’t mean that you have to want it too.
Thank you.March 1, 2010 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #684128
“And if you don’t get it, then forget it, this thread is not for you”
How else should I take this line?March 1, 2010 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #684130
HIE- ur 100% right.March 1, 2010 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #684131
Atleast I have someone that agrees with me for onceMarch 1, 2010 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #684132
Jphone, the poster used four-letter language, one long post of a specific offensive word, repeated. If you did not see it, that’s a good thing. It did not belong her (or anywhere else – that word is simply nivul peh). I have no problem with the system, but in case there are younger readers here (and clearly there are, becaue a mature adult would never have posted what this fellow did), there should be some protection for them to avoid this type of garbage. (and I know, I know – they should not be on the internet altogether).March 1, 2010 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #684133
Oomis- the four letter word was from the nicer language he used. Anyone else saw his posts on thursday night in the single and growing thread?
Whatever, its not important. The main thing is that inappropriate language should be screened here.March 1, 2010 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #684135
Yes, they can, but would any of us be the better for it? Pretty soon we’ll have two or more Coffee Rooms.March 1, 2010 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #684136
Ronrsr, u want to open one upMarch 1, 2010 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #684137
HIE- thank you. Those were such kind and sweet words of you.
But if you would see those posts that were up here then you wouldn’t like it either. If it wouldn’t bother you then you have a VERY BIG problem.
And BTW, no one’s complaining. Were just stating our basic expectations for a website that was always filtered so perfectly and names itself “yeshiva”.March 1, 2010 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #684138
no, not really. I like this one, and I think that the diversity of views is what makes this one entertaining and useful. Seems a shame to kick half the participants out.March 1, 2010 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #684139
Ronrsr- no ones being kicked out. HIE cannot kick anyone out of here. Were all staying!!
HIE I wish you would realize how foolish it sounds…March 1, 2010 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #684140
yes but i think if we want to keep this system there should be way more moderatorsMarch 1, 2010 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #684141
Smart ookie, i didn’t see the posts so please tell me where to look and maybe my view will changeMarch 1, 2010 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #684142
HIE- everyone, including you is entitled to state their opinion here. That’s what the CR’s purpose is. We KNOW we can leave. If you can’t think of a response to some of the controversies that take place here, then you don’t HAVE to respond. Its fine.March 1, 2010 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #684143
essentially there were several completely unsavory words used, which in no way furthered the presentation of his ideas, and he said some rather offensive ideas, which again, in no way helped portray any ideaMarch 1, 2010 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #684144
When I see it maybe my opinion will change, as of now I stand with my opinionMarch 1, 2010 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #684145
HIE- they’re gone obviously. The mods removed them. They were terrible.
No prob- ur entitled to ur opinions. I really don’t care. But its foolish to say that pple should leave just because you didn’t have what to say.
If you didn’t see the posts, then you have zero clue what were talking about. Usually people don’t join the conversation if they don’t know what its all about.
Don’t get me wrong, I love when you join cponversations. But please check ur facts first.March 1, 2010 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #684146
Were they mamish nivul peh or just Stam not nice wordsMarch 1, 2010 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #684147
The average filter will catch “4 letter words”. Microsoft Windows Defender or IE setting (free on all computers) will catch them too. I guess this makes the case for better filtering from YWN users on their own computers and YWNs server. I post on non jewish sites and certain words (certainly not the 4 letter kind – and even many derogatory and discriminatory words) simply block a post from being accepted by the sites (as the TOS declares “in an attempt to maintain a certain level of decorum and professionalism” and i suppose an unwillingness to be sued for certain speech that may appear on their site). I suppose it is up to each individual user to determine the type of filter they want on their computer, YWN to determine how they want to filter content that is trying to be loaded onto their site and each individual to determine if YWN’s choice meets the standards that they want out of a site.
Lastly, what do people really belive the word “yehsiva” in YWN means?March 1, 2010 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #684148
Ok, the mods should block any ip that posted nivul peh or inappropriate wordsMarch 1, 2010 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #684149
HIE- there was a little from both in case you really want to know.March 1, 2010 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #684150
Was the poster blockedMarch 1, 2010 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #684151
Well, thurs night he posted and his posts were deleted HOURS later. I was sure he was blocked, but surprisingly enough, when I went online motzei shbbs, he had a post in every single thread. Some included the four letter word and some just had dumb, childish posts.
Since then he didn’t post so let’s hope..
The prob is that many others can decide to post like he did.believe me, you didn’t want to read it.
Anyone else that saw his posts last friday? I’m scared pple will stop believing me!!!March 1, 2010 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #684152
I didn’t see it but whas his screen name
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