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  • #619249

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    Why is everyone getting extra credit for their posts?

    +1

    #1216919

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    I think it’s an old trend.

    Or do you mean that there’s been a recent inflation?

    #1216920

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    +1,000

    #1216921

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    +Googol

    #1216922

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    intense inflation. but im already at 100% so I don’t need extra credit:)

    #1216923

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Maybe the CR is now a more encouraging place

    #1216924

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    good one lightbright.

    +1!!!!

    #1216925

    Meno
    Participant

    x4

    #1216926

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Toda Rabba Hashemisreading πŸ™‚

    *12 is a tiny and up there

    #1216927

    Litvos
    Member

    Maybe CR has always been an encouraging place, it’s just that only a few realize it.

    #1216928

    Meno
    Participant

    *12 is a tiny and up there

    It doesn’t have to be tiny and up there if you use ^

    #1216929

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    Litvos: hm. could be. but I’ve always found more bashment (made up word) than encouragement.

    #1216930

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    It’s always been encouraging of course.

    I am saying that now maybe more trophies are given out after practice.

    Before maybe it was usually after a winning game or tournament.

    Since…

    We don’t do high fives because of tznius reasons, at least IRL.

    And encouraging words are culturally based and subjective.

    For example, “Go _____!”0 Can sound encouraging or maybe like someone is shouting for the person to go away.

    “Yay _______.” May be considered too childlike. Although it is a favorite of mine here (which for some that may further strengthen the first sentence in this example).

    …Numbers here is a way to express agreement, encouragement, and support.

    Inflation is an problem when the value of the points and/or rewards of receiving points drops accordingly.

    The intention is for the points, in my humble opinion, to evoke good feelings, not apathy G-d forbid.

    So the question likely asks whether more points, at higher ranges, and greater frequencies decreases the value of an occasional “+1” for a poster.

    Is there a way to gauge this? A double-blind study to determine the emotional and psychological effects on the poster when he/she receives points and/or reads that others are awarded points?

    Does it hurt the psyche of the one who didn’t receive points? Maybe the person +X on a statement against what another poster said. Did that poster feel threatened or ganged up on?

    Do some posters sometimes write profound posts and yet never seem to get points, even during inflation, and as a result they feel left out or less worthy?

    Plus there is no standardization of what merits a +1, +100, +1000, +Infinity, etc.

    —-Do posters feel that the receiving poster merited the worthy amount?

    Was the awarder giving points based on post or maybe happened to be in a good mood or less good mood, or maybe just generally gears towards a certain range or point scale, including just one type.

    #1216931

    Litvos
    Member

    Hashemisreading, sometimes we wrongly interpret written words. I don’t say or deny that bashing comments exist, however most of the time we just need Rashi’s commentaries to explain us what exactly a certain person is trying to express through their choice of words. In other words, what could look like a bashment (creative!) could be an encouraging word of advice, even if we don’t realize it.

    #1216932

    Meno
    Participant

    Here’s an idea: how about people start communicating with words instead of mathematical expressions.

    The whole +1 thing is very ambiguous anyway. It’s not clear whether it means you are agreeing or complimenting

    #1216933

    The whole +1 thing is very ambiguous anyway.

    And annoying to an extent. And I don’t like it because I’m sick of people bleeding their facebook life into my filtered one.

    #1216934

    Meno
    Participant

    Mod 29,

    I very strongly agree.

    Maybe the Mods can put an end to this

    #1216935

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Thanks Meno, about the ^ Good to know. Easier that way too.

    #1216936

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    I like it but probably because I played Nintendo growing up.

    #1216937

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Wait that’s not true.

    I loved school. Always. Still do.

    What no one here has never gotten a +1 Extra credit point or more?

    Do they not give out grades in Jewish schools? Seminaries? Yeshivot?

    #1216938

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    We’re not grading here but we do write for each other.

    It’s feedback.

    Facebook didn’t start with Likes. It was already in our culture. It’s in our culture. Facebook is a reflection of society. In turn it affects us, so that Liking thing with numbers and points increasing still impacts our reward systems. The association makes sense if one is just exposed to those two things. However, point systems are everywhere.

    And we are made of numbers.

    #1216939

    Mod 29,

    I very strongly agree.

    Maybe the Mods can put an end to this

    +1

    #1216940

    LB -That very much missed the point we were making. Facebook does not affect all of us and some of us would like to keep it that way. I work very hard to keep facebook ‘behavior’ and references to a minimum here if at all and was sorry this became so prevalent. And to say we are complaining about “point systems” because we are unhappy with the use of facebook’s particular method of denoting agreement or compliment is a bit of a stretch.

    Regarding the rest of your post, I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

    #1216941

    Hhaha good one Mod 100. This trend has been around for a WHILE. Sorry, it’s not new. I remember when we suggested they get a like button. Hahaha

    #1216942

    Meno
    Participant

    The way I see it, if it’s not worth your time to write out the words “I agree” or “great post”, then you’re better off just not saying anything.

    #1216943

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    moderator 29: oh wow. I didn’t realize. I love how sheltered I am. I had no idea it was a facebook thing.

    so then this trend should definitely end!

    litvos: I don’t know. I feel like whenever I’m reading through threads I just feel like yelling at everyone to just chill out. relax! stop harping on everything, stop attacking everyone, be a little open minded!

    but I shouldn’t really talk, because as the old adage goes,

    if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

    #1216944

    Litvos
    Member

    YW Moderator-20, I agree completely about the outside references being kept at a minimum. I might be the only person here who has only this website and an e-mail as a way of communing with people throughout the world. I do not like secular influence being brought into others who wish to stay away from it.

    Lilmod Ulelamaid, I will be biased and say whether you use numerical points or not, you are my favorite poster so I hope any changes in the moderation do not affect your posts as you are very helpful.

    #1216946

    Litvos
    Member

    Hashemisreading, same. I also seem to be quite well sheltered.

    #1216947

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Hashem is reading: “oh wow. I didn’t realize. I love how sheltered I am. I had no idea it was a facebook thing.”

    lol, I was about to say the same thing! I thought it was a CR thing, invented by CR posters or moderators.

    Litvos – +1 million! Oh sorry, I meant to say: I agree, great post. (sorry Meno, but that doesn’t sound so appropriate in this case πŸ™‚ – I think that + 1 million says it the best. What do you think, Litvos?)

    #1216948

    Litvos
    Member

    LU, I don’t object. Also, if your influence has been CR and not ‘facebook’, then no judgements. The moderators should reach a consensus and decide whether they allow it or not. Regardless, LU, I will always look forward to read your posts with great interest.

    #1216949

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Hashem is reading: “hm. could be. but I’ve always found more bashment (made up word) than encouragement.”

    Hashem is reading:”I don’t know. I feel like whenever I’m reading through threads I just feel like yelling at everyone to just chill out. relax! stop harping on everything, stop attacking everyone, be a little open minded!”

    That’s exactly why I do the plussing thing. In order to counteract the bashing. When I’m upset about being bashed by CR people, I feel better if I try to make others feel good. I feel good if people plus me, so I assume that others feel the same. And I thought I saw an old thread encouraging posters to do so.

    But if there is anyone who doesn’t want to be plussed, please let me know and I will happy to put you on my “Please Don’t Plus” list.

    #1216950

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Litvos – thanks! Personally, I don’t think that the fact that something originated in facebook makes it treif anyhow. But in my case, it certainly doesn’t have that association.

    #1216951

    πŸ‘‘RebYidd23
    Participant

    I thought Facebook had “likes” not “plus ones”.

    #1216952

    Meno
    Participant

    I don’t know what Facebook is – I’m not really into books – but the problem with “likes” or “plus ones” is that the fact that it’s so easy makes it cheap. If all you could to to show your appreciation or agreement is make three keystrokes, then you must not appreciate or agree that much.

    #1216953

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    okay lilmod im nonplussed.

    lol i crack myself up.

    for example take this thread that i started. i was just commenting how people starting giving compliments and it always ends up with a fuss and kinderlach arguing:(

    so the truth is i should really get out of the kitchen. but i cant! because there are so many SMART people in this little cozy room and all bashing aside their is so much to learn from here. so im trying really hard to supress the heat.

    #1216954

    Litvos
    Member

    Meno, I am sure Lilmod Ulelamaid’s intentions are friendly and I never got the impression her appreciation was not enough or insincere. Quite the contrary, she is absolutely nice. Sometimes words aren’t needed indeed, I’m not saying it’s plus one instead, but if she feels like it’s a better way for her express herself I don’t see a problem.

    My only problem is when people try to shove “trendy” things in others’ faces just because they are trendy. And if you don’t do it like them, they judge you. That happens to be people from the secular ‘modern’ world. Yuck!

    LU, I understand you.

    Anyways, is kosher Chinese food a good thing? I read there are a few restaurants in New York that serve kosher. Would you eat there?

    #1216955

    Litvos
    Member

    Kinderlach sounds sweet, I would call my children that one day.

    #1216956

    If all you could to to show your appreciation or agreement is make three keystrokes, then you must not appreciate or agree that much.

    -1

    Sometimes, a post nails it so well that all there is to do is agree.

    My problem with all the +1s,+2s, -1s, etc., is that it’s too hard to keep track of the total tally.

    #1216957

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Dear Mod-29,

    I’m sorry for trying to explain why I understand what you’re saying. The analogy wasn’t even good and it really doesn’t matter if I empathize (I do but you don’t need my validation).

    You expressed how the giving of numbers makes the CR unpleasant for you. Thank you for sharing that with me and us.

    I just took a shiur in real life on Yisro and we learned about honoring one’s parents. I thought of you.

    And I want to honor you as a Mod. One way to do that is to refrain from giving numbers. I will find another way to express myself and pray that it will be sweet and good to you.

    Thank you and sending you blessings.

    #1216959

    LB, it’s not about the CR being unpleasant. My job as a mod is to keep this room free of things that are not halachically appropriate or are spiritually unhealthy. When people spend time in places devoid of Torah and soak up the culture (which is NOT our culture) and then proceed to spill it over into other places, such as here, it presents a problem. If I had started deleting or editing the +1s, I am sure I would have been accused of all sorts of censorship and other things. However it is an old argument. People have become so accustomed to things that were never acceptable that they can’t understand what is wrong with them anymore. There are times that the only way to stop the worser things is by putting a foot down on the more benign things. This isn’t about my honor, this isn’t about me at all.

    It is not always clear which benign things are truly benign and which things are deceptively appearing to be benign. But as far as I’m concerned, there is nothing benign about facebook and it is not a door I wish to open. Whether or not you know people who use it appropriately is not the point. We do not mod for individuals here, we mod for the rov.

    #1216960

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Thank you Mod <3

    #1216961

    Meno
    Participant

    Anyways, is kosher Chinese food a good thing? I read there are a few restaurants in New York that serve kosher. Would you eat there?

    I wonder if they have Chinese Kosher food in China. Like Chinese chulent or gefilte fish

    #1216962

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    In Hong Kong the Jewish Community Center has a Glatt Kosher restaurant called The Coffee Shop. Chabad of Hong Kong says it’s open for lunch and dinner and has a diverse menu.

    Maybe there?

    #1216963

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Litvos – + 1 googol (now that I know how to spell it – thanks Randomex).

    #1216964

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    DY +1

    ps: the tally is now 0 (-1 + +1 = 0)

    #1216965

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Litvos, Kosher Chinese restaurants have been around for such a long time already, that they have become almost traditional. Sort of like pizza.

    I think that you are wondering if it is ok since it is obviously coming from an outside culture. While kosher chinese food may be old news, I personally find this new foody trend that seems to have infiltrated our society disturbing- trendy foods, food expos, more and more fancy and innovative kosher restaurants redefining the kosher dining experience (or so they claim). All this is a far cry from making tasty food l’kavod shabbos, and I think goes against the Torah hashkafa of the purpose of food and materialism. Just my 2 cents (can I write it as +$0.02?)

    #1216966

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    YW Moderator-29: great post. maskim 100%. its basically called desensitization (made up word). we are all desensitized. so, so, sad.

    #1216967

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    There’s an old joke that goes something like this:

    A Chinese guy and a Jewish guy are arguing about whose nation is older. The Chinese guy claims that his nation has been around for two thousand years. The Jew says, “Well, we’ve been around for 3 thousand years”. The Chinese guy says, “That’s impossible! What did you guys eat for 1 thousand years?”

    It’s not very funny, but it fits the topic of conversation (one of them at least).

    #1216968

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Litvos – yes, I would eat (and have eaten) kosher Chinese food. As far as I know there is no problem with it. Why should it be any different than American food? Actually, it’s probably better, since there it is highly unlikely that I will start to identify as a Chinese person (how do you say that – “China lady”?) if I eat Chinese food, whereas eating American food can go along with identifying as an American.

    Not that I have ever heard that there is a problem with eating American food; I am just pointing out that eating Chinese food is not a problem.

    #1216969

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    just stick with cholent and kugel and herring and your good

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