February 4, 2021 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1945399moishyParticipant
I love how everyone has an opinion. Most people are not doctors or pharmasists, YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY ANALYZE A STUDY. You could say that this cocktail doesn’t/help, eitherway it makes NO DIFFERENCE. And as far as the video, you dont know the rules and regulations of doctor/ pharmascist. A pharmascist job is not to just put pills in a bottle and add a lable, they go to school for a reason and their job is to make sure that the medications are safe for the patient. THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE HERE CAN SAY WHETHER OR NOT THE PHARMASCIST/DOCTOR IS RIGHT/WRONG UNLESS YOU ARE A DOCTOR OR PHARMASCIST IN NYS!! So everyone SHUT UP and stop thinking your opinion matters!!!!!!!
P.s. NO LASHON HARA HEREFebruary 4, 2021 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #1945526QuayboardwarriorParticipant
Not sure what qualifies you to have an opinion on opinions.February 4, 2021 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #1945573
There were several double-blind studies on HCQ. Several repeated Dr. Zelenkos drug cocktail. The most positive outcome was a 5% decrease in hospitalizations for COVID-19 patients. Dr. Zelenko himself never performed a proper peer reviewed study.
There exists multiple medications and procedures to help with COVID-19 and the medical establishment is scrambling for anything. If HCQ+Zinc worked as well as people on here claim it does, it would have been standard months ago.
There are a lot of frum people with an extremely dangerous mindset. They believe that the vaccines are more dangerous and less effective than HCQ+Zinc when the reverse is true. This means that COVID-19 will continue to spread and endanger our oilom if we don’t educate people on the matter.February 5, 2021 1:27 am at 1:27 am #1945561bk613Participant
“you dont know the rules and regulations of doctor/ pharmascist.”
It was all over the news when Cuomo signed an EO forbidding pharmacists from dispensing it for covid. So in this case, yes, we all do know the rules and regulations. If you don’t like the rules take it up with Cuomo, not a random pharmacist in Monsey.
It’s pretty clear that he went in with the intent on making a viral video, and that is wrong. The pharmacist he confronted has absolutely nothing to do with Cuomo’s policies and disrespecting him while demanding he break the rules, risk his license and job, and accuse him of being an anti Semite is inexcusable and imo diminishes the doctor’s already shaky credibility.February 5, 2021 1:29 am at 1:29 am #1945590
Don’t know and not saying that the the vaccine is dangerous, but the technology backing this vaccine has been in use for the public(meaning the trial participants)for about a year. No one has long term data on the side effects. Again, not saying I wouldn’t take it if my doctor told me to…But you indicate that hydroxychloroquine IS without a doubt more dangerous than the vaccine? You mean the drug that’s always been safe for pregnant women for the better part of a century? That’s ridiculous. As for the efficiency in treating covid, I am not a doctor, but as an observer, is it a coincidence that the doctors using HCQ seemingly fetch far better results than those who dont? Is it a coincidence that all countries using it in widespread fashion have a far lower death rate than those who dont? I understand most people survive covid w/o any treatment, but is it normal for someone to have high fever/cough, and be symptom free hours after taking HCQ? I am no expert, but I do have brains.
I have no idea where you get your info from, I just saw a study (wish I can post link) which analyzed tens of studies, and the conclusion was exactly what Dr Zelenko said. Hydroxychloroquine WILL NOT help to treat hospitalized patients. It WILL help when given early. Out of 11 studies on HCQ give in the outpatient setting, all 11 showed benefit, there were some instances of QT arrhythmia, but no deaths resulting from that. As an observer, I heard about hydroxychloroquine in late March, how it looked good in the “tubes” and how it may help when given early, and with the cocktail. As an observer, I was expecting Dr fauci and the NIH to immediately begin a comprehensive study on HCQ, and in a way that those advocating for its use, said it would work. Pretty reasonable, no? But, nope, the NIH didn’t start a trial until, I believe May. Didn’t include Zinc for some reason. Then, in late May, a tremendous study came out, was published in the NEJM, was given publicity by all mainstream networks, and was supposed to be the nail in the coffin for HCQ. And in many ways it was. Many trials, including the one at the NiH, we’re paused. And then it turned out that the study was a complete fraud. Fake data. It was in fact, retracted. Debunked. Ok, so let’s resume our trials, right? Never happened. Many trials never resumed. Many trials weren’t able to recruit participants, as the word was already out-“HCQ is DEADLY AND INEFFECTIVE! ” So as an observer, I concluded in two main points that:
-Hydroxychloroquine works and is not dangerous when given early, with zinc, in low dose…
-there are people, lots of them, that for some reason((s)$$$$$-politics), never wanted hydroxychloroquine to work, they were hoping it would just go away.
But I’m just an observer. Maybe you experts can explain to me where I went wrong.February 5, 2021 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1945613refoelzeevParticipant
@torahvaluesoverparty I think the point was if you tell people to take an unproven medication to stop corona instead of a proven vaccine, people will needlessly die. Not that HCQ is itself dangerous but that it’s a red herring to what will really put a dent in this pandemic.February 5, 2021 11:11 am at 11:11 am #1945623February 5, 2021 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #1945641
I was pretty clear in saying that my, or anyone’s view on HCQ shouldn’t prevent anyone from getting vaccinated. But where do you get that 5% number from? From what I observed through my own unexpert research, it’s around 80-90% decrease in deaths, and hospitalizations.
The point of my “rant” is that for $$$ and political gain, hundreds of thousands have needlessly died. Hashem for some reason willed that to happen.February 5, 2021 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #1945651HealthParticipant
TVOP -“The point of my “rant” is that for $$$ and political gain, hundreds of thousands have needlessly died.”
Your wrong on that point.
Not that it’s not true.
But the main reason very few got behind HCQ & Zinc, is because at the beginning of the Pandemic there was nothing else.
So Trump got behind this protocol.
They so hated Trump – they decided – don’t Even try it, because if it works – Trump will get the Credit!February 7, 2021 6:46 am at 6:46 am #1945837
@torahvaluesoverparty 5% was what the Henry Ford Clinic reported. I think they were the only large medical group to prescribe HCQ+Zinc on a big scale to treat pre-symptomatic COVID-19. The 80-90% number reported from the Kiryas Yoel clinic is misleading. It was based on patients who had or had some symptoms of COVID-19 were prescribed HCQ+Zinc were not hospitalized. That is perfectly consistent with how COVID-19 reacts normally without medication. Furthermore, this was at the beginning of the pandemic, without testing, so it’s likely that most of the patients didn’t even have COVID-19.February 7, 2021 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1946029HealthParticipant
Yesr -“It was based on patients who had or had some symptoms of COVID-19 were prescribed HCQ+Zinc were not hospitalized. That is perfectly consistent with how COVID-19 reacts normally without medication”
Either you’re Lying or mistaken!
Or one agent from our Corrupt Government.
IDK what you’re talking about, but he worked with other Scientists about the protocol.
Like I said it wasn’t invented by Zelenko.
International Group of Antimicrobial Agents:
“COVID-19 outpatients: early risk-stratified treatment with zinc plus low-dose hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: a retrospective case series study:
First COVID-19 outpatient study based on risk stratification and early antiviral treatment at the beginning of the disease.
Low-dose hydroxychloroquine combined with zinc and azithromycin was an effective therapeutic approach against COVID-19.
Significantly reduced hospitalisation rates in the treatment group.
Reduced mortality rates in the treatment group”
If you look at the study – he only treated people within the category of a possible complication along with Covid-19!February 7, 2021 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #1946073
Still don’t know where you get the 5% number. On the henry ford study-“In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine. None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities; however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.”
As regard to zelenko, his community was hit hard early on, and he only treated high risk patients.
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