December 24, 2020 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1931779
Today is Nittle Nacht, do you observe it? do you observe the Russisher Nittle nacht?December 25, 2020 12:11 am at 12:11 am #1931887
We observe Jan 6 as the calendar was modified by Pope Gregory in 1582.December 25, 2020 12:12 am at 12:12 am #1931885Little FroggieParticipant
How could a day be nacht?December 25, 2020 8:45 am at 8:45 am #1931918
We’re machmir and observe both dates.December 25, 2020 8:47 am at 8:47 am #1931925
There is a joke, how come that this night the goyim celebrate the night before and Purim we make the sudah towards the night after? They celebrate after a Jew and we celebrate after a goy.December 25, 2020 8:48 am at 8:48 am #1931922
Nittel starts at noon or 4 pm and goes till midnightDecember 25, 2020 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1931940
What if nittel falls on a Shabbos?December 25, 2020 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm #1931984
This year, I am fasting on nittel day, even erev shabbos.December 25, 2020 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #1931980
Pope Gregory eliminated ten days and years divided by a hundred became only leap years if they can also be divided by four hundred. Now at 1582, 1600 and 2000 did not change but it changed 1700, 1800 and 1900 making a thirteen day difference, so December 25 inclusive becomes January 6.December 25, 2020 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1931981
Shabbos is exempt as the kedusha overtakes the tumah. Some say, people used to learn in shul and it was a danger to go out and learn on this night.December 25, 2020 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1932001
Reb Eliezer: After 2100 it will change to January 5.December 25, 2020 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1932002
we use to play chess and kvittlach in yeshiva on nittelDecember 25, 2020 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #1932009
RE, a good point.
If the reason is danger, then having books and computers at home should exempt one from observing N.N. Or is it minhag avoteinu that overrides a Torah mitzva?
If the reason is mystical, why don’t we follow Jewish calendar instead of following Julius Ceasar, Pope Gregory,
Which groups do NN and which do not and when? Maybe we can reconstruct tradition from geo/social distribution?December 25, 2020 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #1932010GoldilocksParticipant
Really? I never heard that…
It will be relevant next year, as nittel will indeed be on Shabbos.December 26, 2020 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #1932100
ujm, would it not be January 7, 14 days difference? For a goyishe celebration why use the jewish calendar?December 26, 2020 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #1932132PekakParticipant
It’s not about the Goyishe celebration. It’s about Tekufas Teves. Once upon a time it happened to fall on December 25th which is still celebrated by most Xtians to this day even after the calendar was corrected.December 26, 2020 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #1932134charliehallParticipant
“For a goyishe celebration why use the jewish calendar?”
We use a goyish calendar — and an inaccurate one at that — to determine when to start saying “tein tal umatar”.December 26, 2020 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #1932170PekakParticipant
We’re not using the Goyishe calendar. In chutz la’aretz v’sein tal umatar is said beginning 60 days after Tekufas Tishrei. The Tekufos follow the solar calendar.December 26, 2020 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #1932180
Charlie, Pekak, thanks for the answers!
– do we do 2 days of nitl nacht in golus?
– how to do nitl nacht for those who do not have mitzva of Torah learning (women, children, mutes), or do not (apikoiri and ignorami)December 27, 2020 12:21 am at 12:21 am #1932188
It depends if nittel is a nidcha.December 27, 2020 10:00 am at 10:00 am #1932271ubiquitinParticipant
” making a thirteen day difference, so December 25 inclusive becomes January 6″
The Orthodox church celebrates January 7th the 13 days are added Dec 25 + 13 = Jan 7
” After 2100 it will change to January 5.”
It will change to January 8. 2100 Will not be a leap year on the Gregorian Calendar it will be on the Julian Calendar. so that Gregorian year will be 365 days long that Julian year wil be 366 days long. This will make the difference between the 2 observances 1 day greater, not less.
Lehavdil ad lanetzach, The difference between the Gregorian date and 60 days after the Tekufas tishrei as calculated by Shmuel (which h corresponds tho the Julian Calendar) will also grow by 1 day causing vesen tal umatar to be recited on Dec 5/6 instead of the current 4/5
(there are some groups Amish, Mennonite that celebrate Jan 6, but as these groups were not existent “in di heim” nobody that I am aware of keeps nittel based on their date)
“It’s not about the Goyishe celebration. It’s about Tekufas Teves.”
I have never heard any source tying the Tekufa to Nittel. Some observe nittel Dec 25, Others Jan 7. Tekufas Teves according to Shmuel is Jan 6 , based on Rav Adda it is Dec 26
charlieDecember 27, 2020 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #1932313
By us they keep it the night towards Jan 6 little kratzmich.December 27, 2020 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm #1932318
Reb Eliezer: In America the goyim keep it on December 25, not January 6.December 27, 2020 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #1932321
Look up the Jewish Journal. People from Adas Yereim follow their customs and don’t care for America, the am reik even among goyim. There is something called epiphany.December 27, 2020 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1932348
Reb Eliezer: Ada’s Yereim is Vien. Vienna, Austria is Catholic. They also use December 25.
What is the Jewish Journal?December 27, 2020 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1932384johnkletsParticipant
after 2100 it will be january 07, but there would not be nittel anymore because moshiach will most probably already be hereDecember 27, 2020 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #1932431
johnklets, the seforim hakedoshim say that after Moshiach comes Klal Yisroel will stop celebrating yomim tovim d’oraysa, like Pesach. But the occasions instituted by the rabbonim will continue even after Moshiach. As such, l’choira nittel nacht will continue to be observed.December 27, 2020 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #1932455
ujm, google ‘when is nittel’ and you will see the Jewish Journal, A Brief History of Nittel Nacht, indicating Jan 6 which would make it inclusive. Nittel is not instituted by rabbonim but a custom. Some say that it was dangerous to go to shul to learn. The sefardim don’t keep it as their goyim are mainly muslems.December 31, 2020 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1934141efshar azoiParticipant
Chafetz chaim says he will take any aveiros on his chesbon, we shouldnt not learn Torah..December 31, 2020 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #1934271
@Reb Eleizer, Back in the early 1970s Bucherim from the Klausenberg Yeshiva asked the Klausenberger Rebbe ven iz nittle, he answered mer kenster fragin ah harber tosvos, ven is nittle frag der galechJanuary 3, 2021 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #1934844
So nittel should be Tuesday night, the night to the 6th of January.January 3, 2021 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #1934879
Reb Eliezer, are you trying to hint that we’re doing nittel on January 6 due to the churban we’re expecting that day in Congress??
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