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  • #616166
    TheGoq
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    So there’s this Yeshiva in Ocean Twp NJ that wants to build a a new campus with an dormitory on site and there are these signs all over the neighborhood that say no dorms on logan road but isn’t what they mean to say is no frum jews on logan road in the article it stated various reasons why the people are against it but none of the listed reasons seems very valid we’ve seen this before and we will see it again what is the real issue?

    #1171277
    lesschumras
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    What are the issues?

    #1171278
    TheGoq
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    They don’t want their town to turn into Lakewood?

    #1171279
    Abba_S
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    I think the neighbors need to hire an attorney. They are trying to use land use laws to block the yeshiva which is against the law. The zoning board is trying to do the right thing but the neighbor are packing the meeting so there were over 1000 people at the last meeting which exceeds the certificate of occupancy resulting in the cancellation of the meeting. The next meeting should be somewhere that can hold at least 2,000 people which will be in Sept.

    #1171281
    Joseph
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    They can win a rluipa lawsuit and build it.

    #1171282
    lesschumras
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    So, if people want to retain the low density that drew them to an area, that qualfies as antisemitism?

    #1171283
    nishtdayngesheft
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    They want to use an existing school building on a large property that will have gates and landscaping around it.

    When the residents complaining make comments that they are worried about their daughters because there are going to be as many as 96 18-22 year olds then you know it has nothing to do with either low density or reality.

    #1171284
    👑RebYidd23
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    I doubt that frum people would welcome a Muslim dorm.

    #1171285
    FFBBT613
    Member

    I thought that those signs had to do with the nearby college, not a yeshiva… this is news to me.

    #1171286
    TheGoq
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    Nope FF its not about Monmouth University its a Yeshiva currently in Lakewood looking to have a dorm on campus, there is an article about it online google it.

    #1171287
    Abba_S
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    The Property has a certificate of occupancy as both a yeshiva and a dorm for up to 36 high school students ages 13-18. The new yeshiva wants to increase the number of student to 96 and the age to 18-26. So how can they say no dorm on Logan Road when the property already has a certificate of occupancy as a dorm.

    One of the claims is there will be “96 undocumented students wandering the neighborhood and their daughters wouldn’t be safe”:

    A)The students will be restricted to the yeshiva property

    B)I have never heard a case of Yeshiva student abusing a non-Jewish females.

    C) All the student are either Americans or have documents.

    D) Questions as to safety should be referred to the Police Dept. not a Zoning Board.

    If the Yeshiva goes to Federal Court using the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act they will win. People’s environmental concerns will lose even though they are valid claims, because they are being lumped into with safety claims and using the zoning laws to restrict a religious organization as shown above is illegal.

    #1171288

    i just drove through Monmouth county & saw the sign with above topic written on it on lots of peoples lawns

    #1171289
    Abba_S
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    MA

    The community is against it. They packed the zoning board meeting and it had to be canceled. Last meeting they had over 1000 people in a room that is suppose to hold 750, for safety issues they had to cancel the meeting.

    #1171292
    TheGoq
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    The latest kerfuffle is over a Chabad house in Toms River NJ.

    #1171293
    TheGoq
    Participant

    the zoning board rejected the application for the Yeshivs on logan road.

    #1171294
    TheGoq
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    Now the Yeshiva is suing the town.

    #1171295
    Mammele
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    Welcome to Anytown USA… Sad but true.

    #1171296
    Health
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    Goq -“They don’t want their town to turn into Lakewood”

    That’s exactly right. I remember when Lakewood was a hic-town. And I think we Jews have to remember that we are in Golus.

    The fact is Ocean twnsp has Deal inside of it. If they were Antisemitic they would have opposed Jewish life there – years ago!

    #1171297
    Mammele
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    So Health: If someone frum wants to move somewhere grassy and inexpensive or open a Shul or Yeshiva in a suburb, should they perhaps make Aliya?

    What’s your solution, besides remembering we’re in golus? I can understand not building extravagant homes, but please tell us where we’re welcomed. Whether it’s true anti-semitism or simply “anti-cityism” we’re kind of boxed in.

    #1171298
    👑RebYidd23
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    They don’t like you because you keep calling them hicks and their homes hick towns.

    #1171299
    takahmamash
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    If someone frum wants to move somewhere grassy and inexpensive or open a Shul or Yeshiva in a suburb, should they perhaps make Aliya?

    They should make aliyah because it’s a mitzvah di’oreita.

    #1171300
    Abba_S
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    All that is going to happen is the judge will give the zoning board another 120 days to justify why they denied the variance. The current excuse is they didn’t have enough time. In the end the zoning board will have to give them the variance.

    #1171301
    gavra_at_work
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    I’m not sure about this one. While they certainly can build the Yeshiva under RLUIPA, they may not win the point about building a dorm. From “fountain gate ministries v. city of plano” (Granted, before RLUIPA was passed). Then again, it is not worth the zoning fight which the board will probably lose or settle.

    Thus, the trial court properly concluded that the above enumerated activities were that of a college, and not of a church. We have found no case, and none is cited, that includes the existence or location of colleges within the purview of the first amendment. We hold that the operation of a college is not protected as an exercise of freedom of speech or freedom of religion within the first amendment.

    #1171302
    screwdriverdelight
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    The whole RLUIPA doesn’t make sense. Towns and cities have zoning laws for a reason, “They don’t want their town to turn into Lakewood,” and there’s no reason why every town should have to accommodate religion institutions that don’t satisfy their requirements. The law borders on unconstitutional and is definitely discriminatory.

    From a tactical standpoint, the Yeshiva should forgo their right to open there and save religious freedom for more important matters. Suing Ocean County now will only fester anti-Semitism and wariness over “Jews taking over”.

    #1171303
    Joseph
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    Agree with it or not, RLUIPA is Federal law. It violates no provisions contained in the U.S. Constitution.

    The reason the county enacted the zoning rule in question was to keep the Jews out.

    #1171304
    TheGoq
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    sdd its Ocean Township not Ocean County.

    #1171305
    lesschumras
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    Joseph, and you definitively know this, how?

    #1171306
    Joseph
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    I know that RLUIPA is Federal law and that it is actively enforced in Federal courts and has not been overturned.

    It is also obvious to anyone reviewing the timing of the enactment of the zoning regulation in relation to Jewish parties desiring buildings affected by the new regs, as well as the regs designed to not affect Christian dormitories and only targeted at students aged 18+, typically what yeshivas have, why it was enacted when it was.

    #1171307
    Health
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    Mammele -“I can understand not building extravagant homes, but please tell us where we’re welcomed. Whether it’s true anti-semitism or simply “anti-cityism” we’re kind of boxed in.”

    I live in Lakewood. There’s still plenty of room for more Yeshivas. Let the people in Ocean twnsp, Monmouth county ALONE!

    #1171308
    TheGoq
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    The federal courts overturned the previous rulings and now the Yeshiva can go ahead with its plans.

    #1171309
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    #1171310
    Joseph
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    The courts have consistently overturned local ordinances enacted by municipalities to inhibit Yeshivas based on the Federal RULIPA law. That federal law strongly favors religious institutions over municipalities.

    #1171311
    charliehall
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    Not sure why so many yeshivot want to build in places that don’t want us. Here in the Bronx, the local authorities love frum Jews and go out of the way to help us. Build your yeshiva and dorm here!

    #1171312
    Joseph
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    The Bronx is crime-ridden.

    #1171313
    nishtdayngesheft
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    Where in the Bronx would a Yeshiva go?

    The only place that is Urban at all is Riverdale, which is too expensive and even the Yeshiva if Riverdale has not had an easy time.

    On top of that, OO is based out of there and a Yeshiva would not want o be influenced by the Tumah of HIR. Being in the area.

    #1171314
    TheGoq
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    They would not want to be influenced by the tumah of the Yankees either.

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