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  • #596480
    GumBall
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    i Dont Know what Im going to do without Music!!! Help!! anyone else fell this way??

    #762388

    nope…not yet!!! i’m holding first half sefirah but my brothers play instruments for money so they’re allowed to play so they don’t get worse at it 😉 i just happen to share a wall with them so i get to hear music!!!! ha gumball!!! i soooooo don’t feel 4 you…

    #762389
    BasYisroel94
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    I feel 100% the same way! 🙁

    Btw, what’s the sitch with acapella- why do some people say it’s ok?

    #762390
    charliehall
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    Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach permitted classical music during sefira. My rav agrees.

    #762391
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    The only music I’m permitted to listen to is my own. I think everyone else can also listen (not suggested).

    #762392
    John Doe
    Member

    Your rov picks and chooses the psakim he likes from various poskim.

    He would listen to nothing else that Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach would have to say about many other things.

    #762393

    i dont agree with anyone. stop finding the loopholes! r u jewish? G-d commanded something and all wedo is try to get out of it! the POINT is NOTTO LISTEN TO MUSIC! not “how do i get around it?”is it such a big sacrifice? ppl gave up their livesfor hashem!

    #762394
    observanteen
    Member

    I feel the same. Music is my boost for the day:( (Mom’s glad her eardrums won’t pop during those weeks;))

    Well..Guess we’ll have to survive, just like we just did without chametz for eight whole days.

    #762395
    brotherofurs
    Participant

    its gonna be so hard 🙁 .. i heard because acupella doesnt make u As happy s regular music.

    #762396

    My brother playz drums!!!! it kills my ears!!!! thats the only good part!!!

    #762397
    GumBall
    Member

    its soooooooo true brotherofurs i tottally agree!!!

    #762398
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    Listening is not always a loophole…some poskim allow it for those who are ill physically or depressed, who in all likelihood would trade anything not to be in that position….

    #762399
    wanderingchana
    Participant

    I’ve always got a tune playing in my head. Haven’t figured out how to shut it off yet…

    #762400
    BasYisroel94
    Participant

    @brotherofurs-

    But imho, in todays day and age, you cant even tell the diff between accapella and general music anymore…

    #762401
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having a tune in your head! Ivdu es Hashem b’simcha! Even in Av, we are mamatim b’simcha, we lessen the simcha, but there is still simcha!

    #762402
    GumBall
    Member

    Help Me!! iam gonna get depressed without Music!!!LOL

    #762403
    rabbiofberlin
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    huydo lashem: since when do piskei halocho that are lekuloh a ‘loophole”? If you are allowed to listen to certain music, then it is the halocho. You are welcome to have your minhag-allow others their minhag. BTW- this is not a de’oraisai- not even a de’rabbonon- it is a minhag hageonim.

    #762404

    what id like to know is what makes acapella music “kosher” during sefira? it doesnt sound at all different from regular music….

    #762405
    apushatayid
    Participant

    What makes music “kosher” all year except at a chassuna? We are supposed to refrain from it zecher lichurban.

    #762406
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach permitted classical music during sefira.

    R’ Shlomo Zalman’s opinion is recorded in Halichos Shlomo, Moadim, 11th perek, 14. See however, Orchos Halacha 54, which clarifies that this heter should only be utilized in case of need.

    The overall approach of R’ Shlomo Zalman zt”l seems to be that what determines whether music is permissible during sefirah is not whether it is instumental or vocal, but rather, the type of mood attached to it. Any music, even vocal, would seem to be prohibited if it’s the type associated with dancing. (I hope this answers StuffedCabbage’s question.)

    Your rov picks and chooses the psakim he likes from various poskim.

    He would listen to nothing else that Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach would have to say about many other things.

    Do you know his rav and all of his psakim to make such a negative comment?

    #762407
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    R’ Shlomo Zalman’s opinion is recorded in Halichos Shlomo, Moadim, 11th perek, 14.

    D’var Halachah 22

    #762408

    Many years ago, one of my husband’s Rebbeim told him that rock n’roll wasn’t really music, so he could listen to it. Hey folks, chill, the Rebbe was joking with him.

    Music is something I truly love, so it’s difficult giving it up. I’ll be resynching my Ipod, taking off the music and putting on more shiurim.

    #762409
    adorable
    Participant

    this is where being the sibling of a special brother comes in handy…. he gets to listen…..

    #762410
    aries2756
    Participant

    Unfortunately, I haven’t been listening since Succos because I am in aveilus, so just imagine how hard it is for me. Three weeks isn’t that bad you guys. You can handle it. If not, get an accapela cd.

    #762411
    cherrybim
    Participant

    Rav Moshe permitted any type of music in spite of the ban after the Churban since we need it in today’s times because of our nervousness, like a r’fuah. Perhaps the same heter applies for s’fira.

    #762412
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    check out sh”a: refraining from music during a seuda (that’s not a seudas mitzvah) is zecher l’churban. Kol hamosif gorea

    #762413
    adorable
    Participant

    ayc- i think the same goes for listening to music while falling asleep

    #762414
    a mamin
    Participant

    Huydu La Hashem:: WOW!!!! you really gave me the mussaar I needed to hear! I was looking for sefira tapes on line to hear at work. Now I guess you gave me the courage to wait it out!! Tizku Lemitzvos!!

    #762415
    TheGoq
    Participant

    Aries i am sorry to hear about your loss you have my deepest sympathies

    #762416
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Rav Moshe permitted any type of music in spite of the ban after the Churban since we need it in today’s times because of our nervousness, like a r’fuah. Perhaps the same heter applies for s’fira.

    Do you have a source for that?

    In ??”? ?’ ??”?, he is ????? on instrumental music during the year, and writes that even according to the ??????, it’s ???? during ?????.

    #762417
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    The relevent section:

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    Lefi Rav Moshe, Concerts should not be attended either. Also, Rav Moshe (here) is discussing live music, not taped. IIRC, there is an opinion that a tape/CD/MP3 has a din of a Klei Zemer, and should not be used even for vocal music.

    P.S. The issur brought in Mishna Berura is specificly Rikud (dancing) and music that would lead to it (493:3), which seems to back the opinion of RSZA. (And yes, the Chofetz Chaim had “classical” concerts during his day as well)

    #762418
    Shrek
    Member

    what’s the deal with Chaim Berliners? do they listen to music during sefira?

    #762419
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Also, Rav Moshe (here) is discussing live music, not taped.

    The words you quoted from R’ Moshe were badly botched up by OCR. The actual words, “??”? ????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????” would imply that recorded instrumental music is ????. (I’m assuming that the radio he refers to was playing recorded music, or that even if it was live, being heard over the radio would have the same ??? as recorded music.

    #762420
    cherrybim
    Participant

    Daas Yochid – I heard Rav Moshe’s heter of music in general from my Rav many times. A number of g’dolim listened to classical music and even opera. “Perhaps the same heter applies for s’fira” is my shaila, which is a tzoruch iyun.

    #762421
    GumBall
    Member

    The thing with accapella..some accapelas sound lk real music so lk were supposed 2 be sad that rabbi akivas students were niftar. Why are we listening 2 something that sounds lk real music??

    #762422
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    cherrybim,

    The source I quoted has R’ Moshe being machmir on music during the year, but acknowledging that there are those who are meikil. He states clearly, though, that it’s assur during sefirah, so I’m not sure why it would be a tzorich iyun.

    If you could please do me a favor, ask your rav if R’ Moshe’s heter because of nervousness is written in a teshuvah or something heard al peh. (I’m not asking you to question the veracity of what your rav said, c”v, but it’s easier to apply the heter to a specific situation if one could see the wording.)

    #762423
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The thing with accapella..some accapelas sound lk real music so lk were supposed 2 be sad that rabbi akivas students were niftar. Why are we listening 2 something that sounds lk real music??

    I’ve seen the opinion of one prominent posek that if the vocals are digitally manipulated to sound different than a human voice, it has, in fact, the status of instrumental music.

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