No Parking Anytime Signs in Front of Shuls
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February 14, 2013 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #930082
Correction I was told he can be towed I never asked about ticketed I was just told straight out that I can have him towed. I need to find out about ticket. Either way towing will cost him money so there’s no problem costing him money the question is if you have an obligation to minimize it and therefore not give him a ticket.February 14, 2013 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #930084☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
You can’t have him towed unless he was first ticketed. No legal tow truck will take the vehicle.February 14, 2013 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #930085
I think you’re incorrect in that matter. The gemarah speaks about one who sets up flasks outside one’s property, blocking his entrance, if I remember correctly.February 14, 2013 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #930086
A car is not a jug.
Anyway, are you talking about the gemara in the beginning of ??????February 14, 2013 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #930087apushatayidParticipant
If you want to park in front of the shul, ask the shul to petition the city for a “no parking except authorized vehicles” sign to replace the current “no parking anytime” sign and then head over to pbas house where he/she will be happy to sell you a placard with such authorization for $500. I’m sure he/she will argue that all yidden have a right to visit the ribbono shel olam and are authorized.February 14, 2013 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #930088
Actually I was. It was out of my hat, I didn’t recall it entirely. That case in question refers to memalah chatzeiro, actually his property. Nosai Kailim in halacha (I think) discuss extent of damage, and if permission was granted.
Our case, where permission was not granted, and because of dina dmalchusa should be considered one’s own property with regards to accessing his domain, should certainly permit him to have the offender removed with minimal damage. (I’m no rav or rabbi, so it appears)February 14, 2013 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #930089
I disagree. The law does not give you property rights over that area; you cannot sue for trespass; and you are not permitted to remove cars that are there. I don’t see why halacha would give you more rights than you have in the land.February 14, 2013 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #930090
“The law does not give you property rights over that area; you cannot sue for trespass; and you are not permitted to remove cars that are there.”
You can have them legally ticketed and towed.February 14, 2013 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #930091
I asked about ticketing. (It appears that one cant have a car towed without ticketing so it will be necessary to do both)
The answer was that “One may do whatever it takes to get the mazik/ganav away.”February 15, 2013 12:00 am at 12:00 am #930092
WIY: Thank you.
PBA: I hear you. But WIY’s approach seems more correct. Someone is being mazik another, he has all the right to remove it. Whether it’s called trespass or not.
(and WIY asked a sha’alah)February 15, 2013 1:29 am at 1:29 am #930093February 15, 2013 3:26 am at 3:26 am #930094nfgo3Member
To “The little I know”: You have aptly chosen your screen name. The no-parking zone in front of most shuls serves a very important purpose: it is there to enable fire fighters to access the premises easily if, c”v (as they say in the Fire Dep’t) there is a fire. Even if you were not wrong, i.e., if such no-parking zones served no
And of course, whenever you break the law, you should remove your kippah to avoid a chilul Hashem.February 15, 2013 3:55 am at 3:55 am #930095
I’m objecting to the fact that they are building driveways and monopolizing public spaces, and especially since many are illegal, or even if legal, are not approved by taking into account the public’s needs. And in that context especially to the attitude that if someone blocks them for 2 seconds that they fly off the handle.
This is a good point. It’s not really a Taana on the owners who paid to have it done legally. It’s a complaint on city policy. I think it is actually unfair not to be able to park anywhere on a block because they filled it up with active or inactive driveways.
There are even those without cars who nevertheless obsess about their driveway not being blocked for a minute.
Zdad, what are the parents supposed to do, park a mile away? It is a problem, but it should be dealt with seriously, not by simply fining your way through your troubles.February 15, 2013 3:59 am at 3:59 am #930096
Popa, this would probably be similar to Hanotte Kerem Etzel S’dei Lavan, where he is Mechuyav to pay for the damage once it is his Achrayos to keep back due to his Avodas Hakerem. Here too, once the city decided who has the right, it is now you who are blocking him.February 15, 2013 4:01 am at 4:01 am #930097
Boro Park Mentch,
I don’t know how serious you are but just understand that Popa bar Abba’s word are to be taken like a Rimon. Take the points and through out the peel, which is just there to make it look nice and appetizing. (Or as a Yad and Shomer.)February 15, 2013 5:01 am at 5:01 am #930098Borough Park MenschParticipant
This will hopefully be my last post in this thread.
I disagree. The law does not give you property rights over that area; you cannot sue for trespass; and you are not permitted to remove cars that are there. I don’t see why halacha would give you more rights than you have in the land.
You bring out the worst aspects of the internet, namely that anyone can anonymously claim any credentials whatsoever. Unfortunately for you, I’m calling “baloney” on you and all your posts.
No Orthodox rabbi I ever heard of would knowingly and willfully advocate damaging the property of another simply for revenge as you do when you advocate breaking someone’s windows. In fact, I would find it hard to imagine any rabbi, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstuctionist, man or woman advocating suh a postion that is completely wrong according to Halacha.
Criminal Mischief is a crime, and as far as I see, is also prohibited by Halacha. Any “rabbi” who advocates this should lose his ordination.
Parking or standing in front of a private driveway is a violation of the New York Vehicle and Traffic Law as well as the Traffic Regulations of the City of New York. I would guess it’s probably equally illegal everywhere in the United States. I have asked sh’aylot before and been told it is therefore prohibited by Halacha.
Under the Administrative Code of the City of New York, once a car is ticketed, either the police or the house owner, may have it towed. Trespass to land is only one of the torts. There are others.
You’re not a lawyer. I doubt you are a rabbi. You’re just a bored guy with a computer who gets his cheap thrills getting a rise out of people here and disgraces everyone when gentiles read your messages advocating law breaking.
If the Yeshiva World allows you to continue posting here–something that would be a mistake—I suggest a new subtitle for you.
Coffee Room BadchanFebruary 15, 2013 5:19 am at 5:19 am #930099
Sure, whatever you say.February 15, 2013 5:26 am at 5:26 am #930100
You bring out the worst aspects of the internet, namely that anyone can anonymously claim any credentials whatsoever.
Well, unless I’m telling the truth. (And I never claimed to be a lawyer, BTW. I have no idea why you keep insisting I am not something which I never claimed I am.)
Unfortunately for you, I’m calling “baloney” on you and all your posts.
I don’t know why you think that is unfortunate for me. I could care less if you call pastrami, or baloney, or whatever you want.February 15, 2013 5:41 am at 5:41 am #930101
Popa, I think you’re gonna need Bar Shatya to get you out of this one.February 15, 2013 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #930102
In fact, I would find it hard to imagine any rabbi, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstuctionist, man or woman advocating suh a postion that is completely wrong according to Halacha.
Oh, just saw this.
You find it hard to imagine a conservative/YCT, reform, or reconstructionist rabbi advocating a position that is completely wrong according to halacha? You don’t have a very good imagination, my friend.February 15, 2013 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #930103
Oh so you were being facetious when you knocked yct and Avi Weiss in the past.February 15, 2013 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #930104BatshevaYochevedParticipant
me toFebruary 15, 2013 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #930105apushatayidParticipant
The City of NY hosts a website that contains the entire administrative code that governs the city. If you ever have a need to board a pedicab and want to know where it is legal to do so, the administrative code is the place to go.
The relevant link for blocking a private driveway of a single or 2 family dwelling is here http://126.96.36.199/nyc/AdCode/Title19C1_19-169.asp?zoom_highlight=blocking+a+drivewayFebruary 15, 2013 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #930106
I’m not quite sure what you think that proves that I have not already conceded already. I know you can be ticketed and towed for parking there.
Also, that link gave me a good idea. If you tow me, I’ll come back, and park in front of your driveway and to to sleep in the car. Because the law says you can’t tow cars that have someone inside.
Tee hee hee. You’ll be sitting there shrieking, while I have my noise cancelling headphones in and am listening to Lipa and rachmanininoiniofffffFebruary 15, 2013 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #930107squeakParticipant
I’m sorry, was there a crime committed here that I missed?
In my world, a guy who vents frustration over the parking situation by claiming he will do this or that is no more guilty of a crime than the tippish who took him seriously. No one needs to be stripped of their credibility or ordination because of a rant. Are you related to the guy who wrote the count of monte cristo, or do you just share a last name?
I have a subtitle for BPM. “Takes rants at face value”
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