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What time must one wakeup by? And what should one do if he starts dozing off (either in shul or afterwards)?
Is it preferable to fill your free moments with Tehilim or Gemorah?
Read Rama 583:2 and the Mishna Brura(Hanar towards the end) which brings down the Arizal who said it is mutar after chatzos.Regarding learning or tehillim the Mishan Brura brings down learnig after eating but also brings down that some are noheg to say the whole tehilim.
Rav Shlomo Zalman speaks about sleeping past alos and says nowadays there is no problem it is only after you wake up for the day.
Does it affect your year even if you dozed off by mistake?
Is the reason for not sleeping on r”h because it REALLY will affect our year or is this just a myth? Also, it could be I’m wrong but I heard that if you fall asleep by mistake then it’s ok…
Happiest: it is not a myth it is a yerushalmi.
Shmoel: Thats not what Rav Shlomo Zalamnan says,he says that since people sleep later nowadays it is not a problem only after you are awake for the day.The Mishna Brura also says if one sits and is mevatel his time it is like he is sleeping anyways.
The idea is that how can your spiritual defenders defend you in Shamayim when you are not awake to defend yourself. I always thought based on a Gemara at the beginning of Avoda Zara that one should not go to sleep before Chatzos on Rosh Hashana night either.
Sam2:According to the reasoning of Arizal brought by the Mishna Brurah that after chtazos is fine because we davened already and were meorer the defenders why cant you use the same logic for night time?
my father always tells me about this but I find it hard because during the week Im so tired and work so hard I just need to sleep! I wish it was Shabbos and then yom tov! Now I know its a real thing though and hes not just saying it! thanks
“Sam2:According to the reasoning of Arizal brought by the Mishna Brurah that after chtazos is fine because we davened already and were meorer the defenders why cant you use the same logic for night time”
The Arizal says that the defenders were already meorer through are tefilos AND tekios. (obviously you don’t blow shofar at night).
Sam4: I thought the Arizal’s reasoning was also based on that Gemara in Avodah Zarah that Hashem finishes judgment at Chatzos.
deiyzooger: That is true we do not blow shofar at nigh but we still daven and maybe that is good enough.The Rama was only concerned by day and not by night as you can see from his wording and everyone else peirush.
Sam2:I don’t see the problem of sleeping before chatzos from the Rama or the Mishna Brura.They quote the Arizal for the davening and teikos part I don’t see the reference you mentioned unless I missed something.
That is true we do not blow shofar at nigh[t]
Maybe we don’t blow it at night, because people are sleeping, but we do blow it during the day when you aren’t supposed to sleep.
Sam4: Interesting. I looked at the MB and you appear to be correct. I always thought it was because the Gemara in Avoda Zara says that Hashem is done judging the world at Chatzos.
I was always told that if you sleep during the day on Rosh Hashana you will have a sleepy (unproductive) year.
I completely understand why it would be improper to sleep during the day on Rosh Hashanah, but if one’s davening or mood would be negatively affected due to lack of sleep, I would think it would be appropriate to sleep enough to make one feel refreshed and able to focus more.
And while it of course would be nice to learn in your free time, it would also be nice to help your spouse set the table, clean up, prepare food, take care of kids, etc.
“And while it of course would be nice to learn in your free time, it would also be nice to help your spouse set the table, clean up, prepare food, take care of kids, etc.”
MP, how sweet 🙂
Thanks, QB. I’d like to wish you a wonderful new year, and an enjoyable chag. I really appreciate all your posts and thanks for all your support!
Thanks, MP. I wish the same to you, happiness, health, success. May all your prayers be answered. And I wish the same to everyone else.
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