No Sleeping Rosh Hashana Days

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  • #599670

    shmoel
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    What time must one wakeup by? And what should one do if he starts dozing off (either in shul or afterwards)?

    Is it preferable to fill your free moments with Tehilim or Gemorah?

    #813350

    sam4321
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    Read Rama 583:2 and the Mishna Brura(Hanar towards the end) which brings down the Arizal who said it is mutar after chatzos.Regarding learning or tehillim the Mishan Brura brings down learnig after eating but also brings down that some are noheg to say the whole tehilim.

    #813351

    sam4321
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    Rav Shlomo Zalman speaks about sleeping past alos and says nowadays there is no problem it is only after you wake up for the day.

    #813352

    shmoel
    Member

    But if you wake up very early (after alos) you shouldn’t turn over and go back to sleep for another few hours.

    #813353

    shmoel
    Member

    If you sleep, it sleeps away your mazal for the year?

    #813354

    Does it affect your year even if you dozed off by mistake?

    #813355

    happiest
    Member

    Is the reason for not sleeping on r”h because it REALLY will affect our year or is this just a myth? Also, it could be I’m wrong but I heard that if you fall asleep by mistake then it’s ok…

    #813356

    sam4321
    Participant

    Happiest: it is not a myth it is a yerushalmi.

    #813357

    sam4321
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    Shmoel: Thats not what Rav Shlomo Zalamnan says,he says that since people sleep later nowadays it is not a problem only after you are awake for the day.The Mishna Brura also says if one sits and is mevatel his time it is like he is sleeping anyways.

    #813358

    Sam2
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    The idea is that how can your spiritual defenders defend you in Shamayim when you are not awake to defend yourself. I always thought based on a Gemara at the beginning of Avoda Zara that one should not go to sleep before Chatzos on Rosh Hashana night either.

    #813359

    sam4321
    Participant

    Sam2:According to the reasoning of Arizal brought by the Mishna Brurah that after chtazos is fine because we davened already and were meorer the defenders why cant you use the same logic for night time?

    #813360

    adorable
    Participant

    my father always tells me about this but I find it hard because during the week Im so tired and work so hard I just need to sleep! I wish it was Shabbos and then yom tov! Now I know its a real thing though and hes not just saying it! thanks

    #813361

    deiyezooger
    Member

    “Sam2:According to the reasoning of Arizal brought by the Mishna Brurah that after chtazos is fine because we davened already and were meorer the defenders why cant you use the same logic for night time”

    The Arizal says that the defenders were already meorer through are tefilos AND tekios. (obviously you don’t blow shofar at night).

    #813362

    Sam2
    Participant

    Sam4: I thought the Arizal’s reasoning was also based on that Gemara in Avodah Zarah that Hashem finishes judgment at Chatzos.

    #813363

    sam4321
    Participant

    deiyzooger: That is true we do not blow shofar at nigh but we still daven and maybe that is good enough.The Rama was only concerned by day and not by night as you can see from his wording and everyone else peirush.

    Sam2:I don’t see the problem of sleeping before chatzos from the Rama or the Mishna Brura.They quote the Arizal for the davening and teikos part I don’t see the reference you mentioned unless I missed something.

    #813364

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    That is true we do not blow shofar at nigh[t]

    Maybe we don’t blow it at night, because people are sleeping, but we do blow it during the day when you aren’t supposed to sleep.

    #813365

    Sam2
    Participant

    Sam4: Interesting. I looked at the MB and you appear to be correct. I always thought it was because the Gemara in Avoda Zara says that Hashem is done judging the world at Chatzos.

    #813366

    minyan gal
    Member

    I was always told that if you sleep during the day on Rosh Hashana you will have a sleepy (unproductive) year.

    #813367

    MiddlePath
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    I completely understand why it would be improper to sleep during the day on Rosh Hashanah, but if one’s davening or mood would be negatively affected due to lack of sleep, I would think it would be appropriate to sleep enough to make one feel refreshed and able to focus more.

    And while it of course would be nice to learn in your free time, it would also be nice to help your spouse set the table, clean up, prepare food, take care of kids, etc.

    #813368

    Queen Bee
    Member

    “And while it of course would be nice to learn in your free time, it would also be nice to help your spouse set the table, clean up, prepare food, take care of kids, etc.”

    MP, how sweet 🙂

    #813369

    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Thanks, QB. I’d like to wish you a wonderful new year, and an enjoyable chag. I really appreciate all your posts and thanks for all your support!

    #813370

    Queen Bee
    Member

    Thanks, MP. I wish the same to you, happiness, health, success. May all your prayers be answered. And I wish the same to everyone else.

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