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  • #2012221
    Reb Eliezer
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    Why besmudge Noach when we can praise him? Do not dismiss the view as Rebbi Yachanan says so. Maybe, we are repeatig it by saying, aso raisi tzadik ‘bador hazeh’, I see him as a tzadik in this generation, which seems to be unnecessary. Also the Midrash on the end of Parashas Bereishis says, venoach matza chen be’einei Hashem, and Noach found favor in Hashem’s eyes, Hu matza va’Hashem lo matza, he found but Hashem did not. Maybe the meaning might be that if Noach would have stayed in his piety in the generation of Avraham, he would not have counted for anything but most propably Noach would have be influenced by Avraham and his generation to change.

    #2012258
    huju
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    You got it all backwards. Noach was a tzadik. Naoch was a tazdik.

    #2012259
    Reb Eliezer
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    It should be above asecha raisi tzadik bador hazeh, I saw you as a tzadik in this generation.

    #2012268
    Reb Eliezer
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    The title of this topic is misleading as he was a tzadik but maybe not a tzadik tamim only in his generation.

    #2012308
    Reb Eliezer
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    Noach was like his grandfather Chanoch who did not want to do anything with bad people, afraid of being corrupted, not like Avraham.

    #2012306
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Chasam Sofer explains whether tzohar is a window or precious stone will be dependent how bedorosov, in his generation is interpreted. Only a tzadik tamim, a complete tzadik is worthy to see the destruction of the reshaim, so there was a window otherwise, as Lot could not look behind, the light came into the ark through a precious stone.

    #2012447
    huju
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    I am glad to see that someone corrected the typo in the headline, but now my first comment makes me look stupid. I prefer to do that myself.

    #2012450
    Reb Eliezer
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    huju, I corrected your consideratiion being a tzadik but not necessarily a tzadik tamim if not for his generation. I also indicated that the Rambam says the environment where one lives influences him, so by living in Avraham’s generation would have changed him for the better..

    #2012477
    Gadolhadorah
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    Reb E: Why do so many of your postings have the following small print below:

    This reply was modified 59 minutes ago by YW Moderator-29 ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ’ป.
    This reply was modified 52 minutes ago by Reb Eliezer.

    #2012538
    Benephraim
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    Either way the ืชื•ืจื” was ืงื•ื‘ืข that all you need is ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ื”ื”ื. That is sufficient. As is ื‘ืืฉืจ ื”ื•ื ืฉื in the opposite way. If anyone is zoche to gadlus in our generation it is true gadlus . Why that is so requires a ื”ืกื‘ืจ but not now.

    #2012554
    Reb Eliezer
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    GH, I make many typos with a online keyboard on an RCA tablet.

    #2012556
    Reb Eliezer
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    We have many mafriim, bad influences through the goyim, so it is hard to be a tzadik. Chanoch was taken away because he did not want to mix with anyone as Rashi explains that he did not trust himself not to get corrupted from others. So, Hashem said, we don’t need malachim in this world. In reality a tzadik like Chanoch hurts others when they are being compared to him, so he becomes a kapara for others when he is taken away.

    #2012589

    There i also the idea that he was such a big Tzadik that even in a time that nobody else was good he was good

    #2012656
    Reb Eliezer
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    It says ืžืคื ื™ ืžื™ ื”ืžื‘ื•ืœ, Noach entered the ark when the water pushed him in, says Rashi ืืฃ ื ื— ืžืงื˜ื ื™ ืืžื•ื ื” ื”ื™ื”, ืžืืžื™ืŸ ื•ืื™ื ื• ืžืืžื™ืŸ ืฉื™ื‘ื ื”ืžื‘ื•ืœ so Noach did not fully believe that the flood will come. What about as a praise? I heard once that it matters where we place the comma.
    ,ืืฃ ื ื— ืžืงื˜ื ื™ ืืžื•ื ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืืžื™ืŸ Noach trusted the one’s with a small belief, figuring that they will do teshuva as Hashem originally had the rain come lightly, when it says ื•ื™ื’ื‘ืจื• ื”ืžื™ื the water became stronger and therefore ื•ืื™ื ื• ืžืืžื™ืŸ ืฉื™ื‘ื ื”ืžื‘ื•ืœ Noach did not actually believe the flood will come.

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    #2013796
    Reb Eliezer
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    The question do you judge Noach the way he could be in Avraham’s time, praise or the way he is now.

    #2013875

    Punishment takes a year.. Some say it is a normal timeline for punishments – makos mitzraim, Yiov..

    Note that COVID took a year – from March to March, when vaccines became widely available in developed countries, and after that the remaining punishment is mostly self-inflicted.

    #2013874

    A question from a kid – was it really a punishment? People in the flood generation died older (and bored?) than people lived normal lives after the flood.

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