October 4, 2021 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #2012221
Why besmudge Noach when we can praise him? Do not dismiss the view as Rebbi Yachanan says so. Maybe, we are repeatig it by saying, aso raisi tzadik ‘bador hazeh’, I see him as a tzadik in this generation, which seems to be unnecessary. Also the Midrash on the end of Parashas Bereishis says, venoach matza chen be’einei Hashem, and Noach found favor in Hashem’s eyes, Hu matza va’Hashem lo matza, he found but Hashem did not. Maybe the meaning might be that if Noach would have stayed in his piety in the generation of Avraham, he would not have counted for anything but most propably Noach would have be influenced by Avraham and his generation to change.October 4, 2021 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #2012258hujuParticipant
You got it all backwards. Noach was a tzadik. Naoch was a tazdik.October 4, 2021 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #2012259
It should be above asecha raisi tzadik bador hazeh, I saw you as a tzadik in this generation.October 4, 2021 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #2012268
The title of this topic is misleading as he was a tzadik but maybe not a tzadik tamim only in his generation.October 4, 2021 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #2012308
Noach was like his grandfather Chanoch who did not want to do anything with bad people, afraid of being corrupted, not like Avraham.October 4, 2021 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #2012306
The Chasam Sofer explains whether tzohar is a window or precious stone will be dependent how bedorosov, in his generation is interpreted. Only a tzadik tamim, a complete tzadik is worthy to see the destruction of the reshaim, so there was a window otherwise, as Lot could not look behind, the light came into the ark through a precious stone.October 5, 2021 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm #2012447hujuParticipant
I am glad to see that someone corrected the typo in the headline, but now my first comment makes me look stupid. I prefer to do that myself.October 5, 2021 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #2012450
huju, I corrected your consideratiion being a tzadik but not necessarily a tzadik tamim if not for his generation. I also indicated that the Rambam says the environment where one lives influences him, so by living in Avraham’s generation would have changed him for the better..October 5, 2021 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #2012477GadolhadorahParticipant
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This reply was modified 52 minutes ago by Reb Eliezer.October 5, 2021 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #2012538BenephraimParticipant
Either way the תורה was קובע that all you need is בימים ההם. That is sufficient. As is באשר הוא שם in the opposite way. If anyone is zoche to gadlus in our generation it is true gadlus . Why that is so requires a הסבר but not now.October 5, 2021 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #2012554
GH, I make many typos with a online keyboard on an RCA tablet.October 5, 2021 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #2012556
We have many mafriim, bad influences through the goyim, so it is hard to be a tzadik. Chanoch was taken away because he did not want to mix with anyone as Rashi explains that he did not trust himself not to get corrupted from others. So, Hashem said, we don’t need malachim in this world. In reality a tzadik like Chanoch hurts others when they are being compared to him, so he becomes a kapara for others when he is taken away.October 5, 2021 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #2012589ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤParticipant
There i also the idea that he was such a big Tzadik that even in a time that nobody else was good he was goodOctober 5, 2021 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #2012656
It says מפני מי המבול, Noach entered the ark when the water pushed him in, says Rashi אף נח מקטני אמונה היה, מאמין ואינו מאמין שיבא המבול so Noach did not fully believe that the flood will come. What about as a praise? I heard once that it matters where we place the comma.
,אף נח מקטני אמונה היה מאמין Noach trusted the one’s with a small belief, figuring that they will do teshuva as Hashem originally had the rain come lightly, when it says ויגברו המים the water became stronger and therefore ואינו מאמין שיבא המבול Noach did not actually believe the flood will come.October 9, 2021 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #2013796
The question do you judge Noach the way he could be in Avraham’s time, praise or the way he is now.October 9, 2021 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #2013875Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Punishment takes a year.. Some say it is a normal timeline for punishments – makos mitzraim, Yiov..
Note that COVID took a year – from March to March, when vaccines became widely available in developed countries, and after that the remaining punishment is mostly self-inflicted.October 9, 2021 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #2013874Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
A question from a kid – was it really a punishment? People in the flood generation died older (and bored?) than people lived normal lives after the flood.October 24, 2022 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #2132111
bumpOctober 24, 2022 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #2132201☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Of course he was. From his hentalach to his feesalach. It’s a b’eirushe sing.October 25, 2022 8:23 am at 8:23 am #2132277QuayboardwarriorParticipant
Some meforshim say Noach erred when he threw Yona from the boat.October 26, 2022 2:49 am at 2:49 am #2132548
it became a curse after the flood that Hashem changed the amount of years of a person’s life to become the maximum of 120 years like Moshe Rabbeinu our most humble leader in klal yisroel. Before the mabul they used to live until 800 or even 950 etc….October 26, 2022 10:51 am at 10:51 am #2132630HaLeiViParticipant
Sam, that seems to be a misreading of the Pasuk. Those 120 mentioned in the end of Bereishis are referring to the time from the warning until the flood. That’s how the Targum and Rashi explain it. And you see that it didn’t go down to 120 until Moshe Rabbeinu (who interestingly is hinted to in that Pasuk).
Until the flood the upper limit was a thousand years, after the flood it was halved, and after the Haflaga it was halved again and continued to go down — at least for Avraham Avinu’s family.October 26, 2022 10:51 am at 10:51 am #2132642
So what, the only one we remember is Meshiselach who lived the longest 967 and was a tzadik. The mishna says in Avos that Avraham Avinu took the rewards for all ten generations as they did not accomplish much.October 26, 2022 10:56 am at 10:56 am #2132668
Adam Harishon was suppose to live a thousand years but gave seventy years to David Hamelech.October 30, 2022 2:46 am at 2:46 am #2133575
So Adam still lived long until 930 years
And Noach lived until either 900 or 950 I forgot exactly plus other who lives in the 800s or 900s before going down in years and not only meshushelach like you wroteOctober 30, 2022 3:14 am at 3:14 am #2133577tunaisafishParticipant
The Lubavitcher rebbe (chelek 25) has a whole sicha that although Noah was a taddik you shouldn’t lessen from him because be didn’tdaven for the people of his generation unlike moshe .he explains that this is because be didn’t have the avos to daven in the zechus of.October 30, 2022 4:07 am at 4:07 am #2133590AviraDeArahParticipant
Tuna, chazal blame noach for not davening for his generation, hence the mabul is called “mei noach.” If he was an oness, because he lacked zchus avos (which is arguable – he could have davened bzchua adam harishon) then he would not have been criticized.
Interesting to note that the beis yosef says that noach was an “ish tzadim” and a “tamim” “in his generations” – he says that the nain chait of the dor hamabul was znus. We see from yosef hatzadik that one is called a tzadik if he triumphs over the YH for znus – noach was an ish tzadik in that dor. In the dor haflaga, the main chait was in lack of emunah – the opposite is a tamim, like tamim tehiyeh. “His generations” refers to those two doros which he lived in.
The beis yosef uses this to explain why Hashem said that He saw noach as an ish tzadik lifanai – what happen to tamim? According to this, it hadn’t happened yet.October 30, 2022 9:14 am at 9:14 am #2133643
I heard that they were tzadikim as they both fed their families and Noach also the animals.October 30, 2022 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #2133703
We must give much credit to Noach for not being influenced from his surroundings. Maybe, that is why his tamimness is being questioned as he avoided mixing with people similar to his grandfather Chanoch.October 30, 2022 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #2133802
Your absolutely right
And this is why a person needs to separate themselves from bad surroundings and attach themselves to Hashem alone with Dveikus and Hisbodedus to Hashem direct mitzvos from the Torah and no one for a person to attach themselves to better than Hashem himself directly the king of kings ruler of the entire world.
Yes even better than attaching yourself to your wife or friends or Rav there’s nothing better than having a direct relationship with Hashem himself directly waiting to help YOU out in anything a person cries out for wholeheartedly as we say daily in Ashrei. Karov Hashem lchol korav….. Which means Hashem is close to all call out to all who call out wholeheartedly.
May we all call out wholeheartedly directly to Hashem very soon for the Geula shleima bkarov and the shofar of Mashiach already
With doing serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP bkarov
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