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So, I have heard many different opinions about this subject, but never actually seen anything inside. Is there any issue with reading non-Jewish novels (provided they are clean, not heretical, and it is not taking up too much time) during one’s downtime?
Also very interested to see the different hashkafic opinions
You left out, “and doesnt impart any non Torahdik haskafos”.
How would you know it doesn’t fail in any of these categories without reading it?
You can know by asking someone else who has read it.
One is not obligated to list examples in separate posts.
How would you know something is nosein taam if you can’t taste it?
How would you know something is rough without feeling it?
How would you know what a woman is if you can’t see one?
How would you know what an internet is if you can’t use one?
You’ve reached your quota for irrelevant responses.
I know. All my good ones got blocked.
My point was clear though. You just get a feeling.
Eek, How would you know something is nosein taam if you can’t taste it?
Be m’sha’er based on shishim, but you’re not allowed to taste it.
Rebyidd, correct, so to know if something is acceptable, you’re relying on someone who likely lost their sensitivity by reading unscreened material.
Or Kfeila Arma’ah
Why only a k’feila?
Books arent monolithic, what applies for one book doesnt apply for another.
Too many books have been banned claiming it was Kefira when the banner didnt even read the book and sometimes select passages are lifted taken out of context and then the book is banned. (One can do this with almost anything and completly alter what the book really is, there are people who do this with the Torah and completly intentionally mis-interpret the torah)
Secretagentyid- A little piece of advice: there is no such thing as a secular novel (or movie) that is 100% clean, unless you’re reading nonfiction. I don’t know you, I don’t know your background is, but take it from someone who knows what they’re talking about: it will affect you even if you think it won’t. So, if you are serious about Avodas Hashem, and if emes really is your middle name, do yourself a favor and don’t do it.
DY: Machlokes Rishonim
Nonfiction isn’t any cleaner than fiction.
You can read children’s books. Children’s books are generally cleaner, and there are lists of children’s books that are appropriate.
why do you need to take yourself out of reality by reading novels?
“So no matter what anyone tells me on here, I’m not going to change”
Then it’s assur for anyone to tell you why it’s assur
Novels are real.
In your downtime you should be writing here:)
If you want to avoid problematic content, the daf yomi should be avoided as well. Come on people get real!
In your downtime you should be writing here:)
“here is no such thing as a secular novel (or movie) that is 100% clean, unless you’re reading nonfiction”
That’s just false. You can only say that because you haven’t read any.
Tzviki- everyone has an escape mechanism from life when they feel the need to forget about stress or problems. Some people listen to music, some get chizuk from a shiur and some people like to read fiction novels. I enjoy fantasy particularly because it has no bearing on real life.
There is a Gemorah that says that some tried to hide Shir HasHirum so it would not become part of Tanach
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