Nook Nuki/kindle erasing Hashem
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January 5, 2014 7:47 am at 7:47 am #611749agentemesParticipant
there a shila in ERETZ Yisrael about erasing Hashem name on a nook or kindle lets discuss this shila.January 5, 2014 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1096031🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
It has to be fine because I bought one for my son.January 6, 2014 4:47 am at 4:47 am #1096032ronrsrMember
you never have to delete a book there. You can just archive it – once you’ve bought it, you can always download it again.January 6, 2014 5:15 am at 5:15 am #1096033
Ronsr, the issue would be shutting the screen off or “turning the page” when the Shem Hashem is on it, not deleting the file.
I’d never heard of this before, but in a post wiped out by the Post’s attack on YWN, someone mentioned that these e-readers work differently than regular screens.
Midwesterner had said that he asked a shailah (about computer screens, I guess) and was told it’s muttar. Computer screens are constantly refreshing themselves, so one never really erases anything, he just prevents it from returning, which isn’t a problem.
E-readers, OTOH, have the image of the letters “etched” into the screen, and turning it off might be considered m’chikah.
The tzad to be meikil, of course, is that Syag bought one for her son.January 6, 2014 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1096034Sam2Participant
There should be no meaningful reason to be M’chalek between this and a computer. By computers, R’ Elyashiv Assered and the whole world was Meikil (though R’ Schachter has some interesting Chumros about it).January 6, 2014 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1096035
Have you researched the differences in technology? It seems you have, can you elaborate on the difference between the technologies so that we may understand the question and why you think it is not different.
Thank youJanuary 6, 2014 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1096036GreatJobMember
I looked into this sheila and came to some interesting conclusions.
Black and White E-readers use E-ink and work differently than a regular screen does. The way the screens work is by using a jolt of electricity to move the e-ink to form the words on the page. When you “turn the page” it sends a new jolt of electricity to move the e-ink to form new words. When the e-ink is on the page it uses no electricity and stays there PERMANENTLY. This is how e-readers have a 2 month battery life – the battery is only used to move the e-ink every time you turn the page. A regular screen requires a constant flow of electricity to maintain the words on it. That is part of the heter for erasing Hashem’s name from the screen, because it is not permanent.
I contacted the maker of the nook nuki and he responded that he doesn’t think this is how e-readers book, it should be no different than a regular screen, and even if they work then the screensaver will automatically erase it so it is temporary.
He also referenced all of the Rabbinical endorsements of the device (which were full of praise because it is “kosher” because no internet and spreading torah). I doubt that his Rabbinical endorsements are aware of the technical workings of the screen, especially if he denies that’s how it works.
You evaluate the creators response to my question and determine if you are erasing Hashem’s name.January 6, 2014 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1096037
It’s simple. Digital ink needs refreshing only when the page is turned.January 12, 2014 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1096038
My research indicates that the shailah was asked (about the Kindle) with the inventor presenting the metzius, to two of the biggest poskim, who both said it’s assur. I don’t know if the Nuki uses the same “e-ink”.January 12, 2014 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1096039
All the tablets basically work the same way.
The differnce between a Kindle and a Nook is the manufacturer. Amazon makes a Kindle and Barnes and Noble makes a Nook
I will make the assumption the questions is about the Kindle Fire (Which is the Android Tablet)and not the regular Kindle since a Nook was also asked about.January 12, 2014 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #1096040
FYI there are many people who have Apps with siddurs, I have one for my phone.
If you could not erase Hashems name, you couldnt use the app and almost everyone has them.January 12, 2014 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1096041
Tablets have LCD screens. It’s digital ink that’s the question. Digital ink screens require power only when the image or text is changed.January 12, 2014 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1096042
That’s correct, RebYidd.
ZD, they say R’ Elyasiv indeed assered all screens, but it seems that R’ Shlomo Zalman Aurbach paskened that it’s muttar, and his psak was widely accepted. That’s why ordinary tablets and smartphones don’t have this issue, but e-readers do.January 12, 2014 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #1096043
“All the tablets basically work the same way.”
No they don’t. Not even remotely the same way. The way the Nook and Kindle readers (and other models using e-ink technology) work is very different from tablets. This was explained quite well above.January 12, 2014 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #1096044jbaldy22Member
Supposedly Rav Moshe Heineman holds its an issue.January 13, 2014 3:39 am at 3:39 am #1096045
You have never seen a Kindle Fire or the latest Nook, They ARE Android Tablets, instead of trolling why not google them and see what they areJanuary 13, 2014 3:56 am at 3:56 am #1096046
ZD, your mistake is the assumption you made that the question was asked about the Kindle Fire. You are correct that that particular model, as well as the Nook HD, use LCD screens like those of ordinary tablets.
However, the question was asked about the Nook Nuki, which uses e-ink, and Barnes and Nobles still sells Nooks with e-ink, and Amazon sells a Kindle with e-ink; I assume the shaila was about these as well.January 13, 2014 4:39 am at 4:39 am #1096047
I know good and well what a kindle fire is. I have used a kindle fire and I have handled the nook Hd and I have used the the nook reader (which the nook nuki is with out the library installed). The question was about a nook nuki. Why don’t YOU do a little research before making your woefully incorrect assumption.January 13, 2014 4:52 am at 4:52 am #1096048jbaldy22Member
I will be sticking with my Note 10 and powersefer (which is awesome).January 13, 2014 10:45 am at 10:45 am #1096049
In that case, it’s about your ignorance of the basics of technology.July 31, 2015 3:14 am at 3:14 am #1096050pinkusMember
I heard that the maker of the “nook nuki” came out with a new similar but slightly more advanced product called something like “Book Nuki”, does anyone have more information about this? GreatJob: would you share me with the contact information for the maker of the nook nuki? TnxJuly 31, 2015 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1096051
Boox Buki is a Boox, not a Nuk.August 3, 2015 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #1096052pinkusMember
They are both eReaders, no? Eitherway can anyone give me the name of the company making the Nook-Nuki /Boox Buki?August 4, 2015 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1096053
A quick search tells me that the Boox uses e-ink, and will therefore have the same mechikas hasheim issue as the Nook.August 17, 2015 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #1096054ujewParticipant
R’ Shmuel Yeshaya Yoffe just published his sefer Ksav Yuchsin which has a large section to discuss this shaila.
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