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  • #617835
    ubiquitin
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    There are occasions in halacha where one may or is even encouraged not to look int o something to avoid any questions.

    The best example if what I mean is during yemei tahara.

    A not as good example, though similar is relying on chazaka. For example, milk is kosher and there is no need to check the cow for treifos. Although, obviously, it us possible to find out, there is no need to cancel rely on chazaka.

    Can anyone think of other examples? Especially similar to first case

    #1155918
    Joseph
    Participant

    Mamzeirus.

    #1155919
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Your first example is not inherently true, but we do follow that approach in our weak dor.

    We do check the lungs on a shected animal. It depends on how common issur is.

    Vegetables, for example, depend on the min, locale, and season as to whether they require checking or not.

    The pure rule l’halachah is kol hamarbeh livdok harei zeh m’shubach, but practically, it’s sometimes not advised.

    #1155921
    B1g B0y
    Participant

    “mamzeirus”

    I’m not sure, but isn’t that only in a case where we don’t have real reason to suspect?

    #1155922
    WolfishMusings
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    When it’s based on utter stupidity.

    One poster once commented that my marriage wasn’t valid because we didn’t use a Shadchan. He told me that I needed to ask my rav. I refused, because his contention was based on stupidity and nonsense. I’m not going to bother my rav over nonsense.

    The Wolf

    #1155923
    Joseph
    Participant

    Sigh, Wolf, will mosherose ever stop giving you nightmares, even years and years after he stopped posting?

    #1155924
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Dy,

    but practically, it’s sometimes not advised.

    Do you have an example of this? I never heard of one (which doesn’t mean that there isn’t)

    #1155925
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    ??”? ??”? ??”?

    #1155926
    catch yourself
    Participant

    Of course, the fact that we do not “look for problems” during Yemei Tahara is also an example of “relying on Chazaka…”

    DY, I think the OP meant that we rely on Chazaka (actually, Rov) to allow the drinking of milk (instead of shechting every cow so we can check its lungs before drinking).

    #1155927
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Sigh, Wolf, will mosherose ever stop giving you nightmares, even years and years after he stopped posting?

    He gives me exactly the same number of nightmares as you do… 0. Yes, I mention his posts time and again, but only because I find them to be the greatest example of foolishness I’ve ever seen on these boards. So, when something he says (or anyone else, for that matter) comes up that is relevant to a topic, I’ll bring it up.

    The Wolf

    #1155928
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Dy,

    I was referring to vegetable checking not niddah

    Can you provide where one doesn’t have to check a vegetable sometimes, but other times he does (with the same vegetable)

    #1155929
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    DaasYochid,

    Your first example is not inherently true, but we do follow that approach in our weak dor.

    Previous generations practiced taharas hamishpacha differently than ours?

    #1155930
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Thanks all for the replies.

    Though CY I’m not sure why you say the yemie tahara is a chazaka? Is it a chazaka that there is no discharge? why would there be such a chazaka?

    I haven’t had a chance to go through the sugya yet but you may be right. The idea of chazaka is what I meant regardless. (I’m using Rov and chazaka interchangeably in this case, as the outcome is the same, but thanks for that correction however see tosfos chulin 11 sems to say is a chazaka that living animal isn’t a treifa, but granted it is a chzaka based on rov)

    #1155931
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    ??? ??? ??”? ?”?: ?”?

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    #1155932
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    I hear. But that wouldn’t apply nowadays, since everything is in season somewhere and we can buy it from there and it could be buggy over there

    Meaning, just because you got a bag of romaine it doesn’t mean it came from the same place you got it last time (even if it’s from the same company)

    #1155933
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    It could also not be, it changes and has to constantly be monitored. Of course it’s relevant nowadays.

    In fact, I recently got an alert that romaine lettuce is particularly bad now, and the recommendation was not to rely on home or sample checking, but to only buy Pos-Tiv.

    #1155934
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Re the romaine,

    That’s right, it is. May I ask who (which hashgocho) sent you that?

    And since it changes and has to be monitored we check everything all the time

    #1155935
    Abba_S
    Participant

    When it comes to the slaughtering of birds we go after the majority and don’t check, which is why I never understood why people claim chickens are glatt kosher.

    #1155936
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    A friend forwarded something from Kehilah Kashrus to me.

    Do you check carrots?

    #1155937
    Meno
    Participant

    I peel my carrots to avoid any shailos.

    #1155938
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    You should blend them too just to make sure.

    #1155939
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Has carrots ever have any bugs

    #1155940
    Joseph
    Participant

    Bugs don’t blend?

    #1155941
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    They do, that’s why dy said that

    It’s only b’deieved

    #1155942
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Has carrots ever have any bugs

    Ah, so you are saying anything which has ever had bugs needs to be checked l’olam vo’ed. I don’t think that’s true. Do you check onions?

    In some situations, blending can be l’chatchilah.

    #1155943
    Joseph
    Participant

    Why would blending be l’chatchilah, if the bugs ends up being blended into the final food product?

    #1155944
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Joseph

    What would the problem be?

    I assume you are concerned for ain mevatlin issur lechatchila. However when I am blending my smoothie believe me I dont want to be mevatel any bugs. That is happens, memeila is not neccesarily assur. (I’ll provide a mareh makom later bli neder)

    Is there another concern that you have?

    #1155945
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    “Bugs don’t blend?”

    Sounds like a Blendtek commercial/video.

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