Now we can't write Shmuel or Refoel any more?
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February 9, 2012 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #601989
Just saw this name in the Jewish Tribune (the UK chareidi paper):
????’ ?? ???’ ???? ???’ ?”?
So now apparently, apart from not writing any names that contains the letters ? and ?, we also cannot write any names with ? and ? any more.
Maybe soon we should simply stop using Hebrew letters at all?
I have never seen this in E”Y or anywhere else before.
Share your thoughts. Is this a good thing or is it just trying to be frummer than the frummest, outfrumming everyone else? I call it the latter.February 9, 2012 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #850532WolfishMusingsParticipant
Who said you can’t write them? Just because someone else chose to abbreviate it doesn’t meant that you can’t.
The WolfFebruary 9, 2012 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #850533
I have seen a dash between an aleph and a lamed many times in names. There really is no point to it, but does it bother anyone?February 9, 2012 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #850534TheReaderParticipant
Actually the opposite might be true.
There is a halacha in Hilchos Safrus that states that one is not allowed to be mekadesh a name that is not intended to mean Hashem.
None of these names are meant to be Hashem’s name, so they should be written out completely.February 9, 2012 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #850535🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I had my kids names embroidered on their kippas even though they contain those letter combinations, I just told them never to use the bathroom.February 9, 2012 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #850536BaalHaboozeParticipant
I was in a yeshivish house for shabbos many years ago where the kids asked their father to pass the Gingerk-ale…~groan~February 9, 2012 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #850537WolfishMusingsParticipant
None of these names are meant to be Hashem’s name, so they should be written out completely.
And, of course, spoken. For example, there is no problem whatsoever with the place name “Beis El” in Israel. One is not required (and, perhaps to TheReader’s point, should not) say “Bais Keil.”
Of course, I’m reminded of the old joke about a girl who goes out on a date and introduces herself as “BasKah.” He smiles and introduces himself as “Kelikaku.”
The WolfFebruary 9, 2012 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #850538
Bear – here it’s not just an apostroph; here the ? is simply gone.
TheReader – I hadn’t heard of that one yet, good argument.February 10, 2012 3:39 am at 3:39 am #850539apushatayidParticipant
Avoid the problem altogether, just name the boys sammy and raffy.February 10, 2012 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #850540ItcheSrulikMember
????? is also a Jewish name.February 10, 2012 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #850541Rav TuvParticipant
1 of my favorite beverages s ginger kale.
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